Commissioning from army to navy (hopefully)

I am currently a Cpl in the army, having just finished a degree I am looking at commissioning into the navy, as I am too old to do so in the army (29).

I am curious if anybody else has had experiences in doing the same or similar and how they found the process or if they have any advice for me?

Thanks.
 

crash_evans

War Hero
I am currently a Cpl in the army, having just finished a degree I am looking at commissioning into the navy, as I am too old to do so in the army (29).

I am curious if anybody else has had experiences in doing the same or similar and how they found the process or if they have any advice for me?

Thanks.
Morning,
BR3 is what you need https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/-/medi...rence-library/br-3-vol-1/chapter-13.pdf#page4 para 1306.

And https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/-/medi...rence-library/br-3-vol-1/chapter-48.pdf#page9 para 4808.

Essentially, you will be treated like any new joiner. You will have to speak to your regimental team as you will leave the Army and then join the RN. You maybe in for a wait as some branches are oversubscribed and due to COVID, competition is high for entry to Dartmouth. Also ensure you have the required qualifications for your branch of preference.


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@crash_evans

Thanks for that. Pretty self explanatory. I think all I need to know now is if my army service history comes over with me as well as whether I lose any eligibility for medals based on service time such LSGC and jubilee.
 

Buckwind

Newbie
Just as an FYI, you also aren't too old to commision into the Army if you're currently serving, you just need regimental sponsorship before going to Sandhurst.
 

soleil

War Hero
@crash_evans

Thanks for that. Pretty self explanatory. I think all I need to know now is if my army service history comes over with me as well as whether I lose any eligibility for medals based on service time such LSGC and jubilee.
The JSP for medals is JSP 761.


If it's not covered in there, try the Medal Office.

 

crash_evans

War Hero
@crash_evans

Thanks for that. Pretty self explanatory. I think all I need to know now is if my army service history comes over with me as well as whether I lose any eligibility for medals based on service time such LSGC and jubilee.
Have a chat with your Clerks. Service for LSGC will continue. I seem to remember jubilee is four years service on the day awarded. So that should go too.

If you have any medals they will continue to be worn.

Your service history will by and large not be transferable. Unless you were a bad ass, in that case the rehabilitation of offenders act will apply and drop off accordingly.


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Zoidberg

War Hero
@crash_evans

Thanks for that. Pretty self explanatory. I think all I need to know now is if my army service history comes over with me as well as whether I lose any eligibility for medals based on service time such LSGC and jubilee.
I believe you should keep pay and medal seniority.

Source: ex RM and Army oppos who transferred to the RN went to their old pay bands and got jubilee and LSGC medals based on previous service.
 

crash_evans

War Hero
Ref JSP 754 Chapter 3.

Personnel who transfer to a new specialisation, Corps or branch or re-muster to a new trade (including on the attainment or relinquishment of a qualification) or re-categorise from one trade to another, will have their basic pay aligned in the new trade with their existing experience and qualifications in rank from the date of transfer.

Where a change results in an individual being placed on an Increment Level (IL) above a Qualification Point (QP) or other bar to incremental progression on the range, and the individual does not hold the qualification or other criteria to cross the bar, then all incremental progression is suspended until the necessary qualification or other criteria are gained.

A MTRP commences at the end of employment in the former trade. An individual will remain on this rate until they have gained the necessary criteria to entitle them to a higher rate of pay on the relevant range for their trade/rank. However, the maximum period an individual will remain on a MTRP will always be either:
a. Two years, or;
b. The period of the conversion training plus 6 months:
whichever is the greater.

Service Manning Branches will notify individuals of the appropriate period of pay protection. At the end of this period, the individual’s pay is to be aligned with their time in rank and qualifications held with no eligibility to pay in the higher pay range.

When an individual is not entitled to an MTRP, they are to be paid at the new lower rate from the date of transfer, this being the date of qualification in the new lower banded branch or trade.


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crash_evans

War Hero
As for LSGC, ref is as above from [mention]soleil [/mention]

You will receive 1 Good Conduct badge for every 4 years of ‘SAT’ conduct (VG if you are old - pre 2000), up to 3. Thereafter you will have to have completed 15 years GOOD or VG conduct in any regular branch of HM Forces.

As for Jubilee medals, if you have one; you can keep it. If you are hanging out for King Charles (or whichever name he takes). It might take some time. I believe his next one will be in D plus 25 years.


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Apart from the fact he wants to commission - which means a) he won’t transfer over his seniority (although he may gain some seniority as an Officer if he’s already a WO1) and b) GCBs won’t count either (but time to LS&GC will).
 

crash_evans

War Hero
Apart from the fact he wants to commission - which means a) he won’t transfer over his seniority (although he may gain some seniority as an Officer if he’s already a WO1) and b) GCBs won’t count either (but time to LS&GC will).
A. They’re a Cpl. I presume it means that their seniority (IBD date and whether their pay is higher than a new entry Officer).

B. Always good to have an idea in case they decide the lower deck is better (Plan B).


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At best it’ll be current pay plus 5%. At worse, it’ll be new joiners rates. Difficult to tell, as he’ll be leaving the Army and then joining the RN. Either way, by year 2 he’ll be earning much more (unless the OP is an Apache pilot).

Bigger drama will be to make sure all his LSA days transfer over...
 

crash_evans

War Hero
Bigger drama will be to make sure all his LSA days transfer over...
This. I had a lad In my division (A CT - EX Army INT Corp). Make sure the OP takes their old payslip with LSA days (albeit less than the RN!) to the UPO upon joining next unit to ‘upload’ their days.

It takes a while for Glasgow to TX records.


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Zoidberg

War Hero
Would he be eligible for the increased pay as an officer? It was in one of the AFPRB documents that an OR with 8+ years would start on around 43k and an OR with 12+ years would start on 46k regardless of rank.

EDIT:

Apologies, I got the service and figures wrong.


Page 51 of the document or 63 of the PDF, table 1.6.

. c Officers Commissioned from the Ranks with more than 15 years’ service in the Ranks enter on Level 7.
d Officers Commissioned from the Ranks with between 12 and 15 years’ service in the Ranks enter on Level 4.
e Officers Commissioned from the Ranks with less than 12 years’ service in the Ranks enter on Level 1.

Level 1: 43,472
Level 4: 45,659
Level 7: 47, 846
 
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crash_evans

War Hero
I think that excerpt only applies to those commissioning from the ranks in their current service. The OP will be starting afresh in a new service.

I could be wrong. I’m not a Writer.


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