SILVER_FOX said:....I fail to see why it is the Chain of Command's fault ....
matelo99 said:Since when does the Army chain of command have anything to do with Royal Marines standing orders???
This is my primary issue. It is not the job of JNCOs to second guess command decisions, presumably based on int, the IPB, the Threat, and not a little personal experience, and in this tragic event there was no element of Mission Command. We have all argued the toss about something or other during our service but once the decision is made or confirmed "the order is to be given as if it is your own". If this is not the case where does the "tweaking" end, fu** it these grenades are a pain in the arse, I'll ditch 'em (not fantasy, I know of such a case), or if you prefer the Hollywood version of real events the Rangers preparing to deploy in Black Hawk Down, fiction but actually based on what happened.lukep said:Like alot of us have done they tweaked their kit and changed it about to suit their needs.
Sadly confirmed in the inquest.lukep said:If they were wearing the ''Pussers correct issue'' It probably would'nt have made a difference.
It's very easy to throw out one liners but unfortunately this is not the case. The Coroner very clearly blamed the chain of command. We should all agree that the chain of command does not start and finish in Cdo HQ. It extends down the the lowest man with authority over the individuals concerned, including the S/JNCO responsible for posting or briefing the sangar sentries.lukep said:...and nobody is to blame, it's big boys rules after all.
It extends down the the lowest man with authority over the individuals concerned, including the S/JNCO responsible for posting or briefing the sangar sentries.