CIS branch RNR

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  1. Hello all
    hopefully i've come to the right place for this question:

    I would like to know, what does the CIS branch, particularly HMS President do for training / trades etc?

    In general is it more a radio operators's job or more IT focussed?
    & is there an opportunity to choose a one or the other?
  2. i recently came back from an aquaint weekend at collingwood to learn about the CIS branch, its mostly radio operator and takes around 2 years to complete the training
  3. FlagWagger

    FlagWagger Book Reviewer

    There's an antique thread on this subject here which might give an insight into some of the roles. One caveat however, is that this thread is nearly 3 years old and times have undoubtedly moved on since my involvement with CIS.
  4. Flag Wagger - has been any movement on the 'strategic' roles you outlined?
  5. FlagWagger

    FlagWagger Book Reviewer

    You'll need to speak to someone still in the loop to get the definitive answer on that question - I know "Aldis" on here is a current CIS S/R who will be better placed than me.
  6. Aldis - over to you my man!
  7. Speaking with the guys in our unit (Not PRESIDENT) I'm under the impression that it is very much IT based nowadays - Thats one of the main reasons i got out when it all changed three years ago.

    The problem at present seems to be that RNR comms (CIS as it is now known) follows the RN comms branch with regards to training. This basically means little or no bunting work (flags, , lights, radio's, fleetwork etc). The problem arises when comms ratings are mobilised to serve on RFA's who's comms staff are very much based on the old RN comms ratings. Hense the RNR in many cases, are struggling with providing the RFA's with the skills they mobilised them for (fleetwork, visual signalling etc). These tasks are undertaken by the seaman branch in the RN nowadays.

    Standing by to be corrected if thing have drastically changed in the last four months or so.
  8. Well that reflects badly on the RN, RFA and RNR: if you can't work out after mobilisation that you aren't providing the skills, then frankly you need to have a word with yourselves....

    Sea Spec's are doing well at the TacCom stuff, after a (fairly public) rubbish start. Unfortunately, there are only just enough of them, so we can't spare them to the RFA's, perhaps the Capability and Branch Managers need to have a word with one another?
  9. Thats pretty much it in a shell...

    I came back from mobilisation earlier this year having seen Res CIS ratings doing a RFA role for which they wern't trained. And as trehorn pointed out, comms is now carried out by seaman branch in the RN but NOT the seaman branch in the RNR...
    Confused?? So are we!

    Long an short of it is that the main branches of the RNR (including branch badges) still aren't aligned to the RN
  10. FlagWagger

    FlagWagger Book Reviewer

    They haven't been since the demise of the RO(T) / RO(G) in the RN and the subsequent creation of the COMMS(SEA) specialisation in the RNR. Matters went downhill fast with the unilateral edict from a certain SO1 in DNRES that V/S was no longer to be instructed in the RNR back in 2001/2 followed by the short-lived concept of GSSR(C).

    The re-birth of the RNR Comms as CIS was intended to bring the RNR back into line with the RN but only in terms of the non tactical side of the job. If RNRs are being called upon to carry out these roles, then they are being asked to do a job that has not been in their task book (or whatever it is called these days) since 2005/6.
  11. Reference the confusion over the RN Sea Spec branch's name and associated training and that of the RNR Sea (Res) branch name/training.

    I have posted this before, but on a different thread, but here it is again, in a hope to un-confuse the confused.

    "Reference our branch name,
    It was not designed by CMR, it was our Regular counterparts who decided that, as part of the closer links (integration!) with the RN/RNR, branches will be aligned with the RN. To that end, we were informed that our Branch was now
    General Service Warfare Seaman (Reserve). I understand that the only reason for the "reserve" bit was to ensure we did not get confused with the Seaman Spec (every finger a marlin spike, and the specialists in Seamanship in the RN).

    If the branch feel very strongly that they wish to change the name, I can spend considerable time staffing the issue, but do not rate our chances of success. I would prefer to spend my time on issues closer to home, but it is your branch, and if you want me to fight the corner, I will."

    Happy New Year to all our readers

  12. Hi Navydavy,

    Lots of "fairly" accurate replies on this thread so far. I'll post the current position in the next couple of days if you can wait.

  13. sounds good to me; thanks in advance
  14. As promised……

    The RNR CIS Branch is very closely aligned to the RN CIS Branch so reading the relevant pages from the RN website will give you a good idea.

    The branch is divided into 4 sub-groups which have their own specialist skills but the training from AB2 to AB1 is focused on core communications skills. These skills are radio operating skills – not the old-fashioned voice and Morse skills but the configuration, support and maintenance of modern automated message handling systems. This does involve some IT but that is not the main part.

    Each of the 4 sub-groups has its own workbook to develop the specialist additional skills required for that group. For example, the skills gap for RNR CIS ratings on RFAs mentioned elsewhere is addressed in the RFA group workbook.

    The one IT-centric group, “Strategic CIS†is in the process of being re-defined as operational experience showed that it was not properly aligned to operational need. Once specific needs and associated skills have been identified, a new workbook will be developed. Unlike the other groups, the expectation is that training will not start from scratch. It is likely that members of the group will be IT/IS experts in their civvy life and will only require training and/or examination on the military implementation of systems and applications.

    Branch training is carried out in-unit, on training weekends at MWS Collingwood and operational continuous training which can be afloat or ashore. In-unit training is in the classroom and is mainly communications theory and the publications that are used. Training at MWS is practical training on the comms kit that is used. Continuous training is where ratings put into practise what they have learnt in-unit and at MWS.

    I hope this helps.


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