Chinese aircraft carrier Shi Lang, ex-Varyag

Seaweed

RIP
Book Reviewer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16190926http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16190926http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16190926

better copy of picture:

First picture of China's carrier captured by satellite: Shanghaiist

and some back history:

THE RISING SEA DRAGON IN ASIA VARYAG TRANSFORMATION

and some other websites which have attracted some spectacularly silly comments that don't recognise that (a) China plays a very long game (b) they are a very talented and intelligent people who will achieve their technical objectives in the end.
 

2_deck_dash

War Hero
Ah, the floating Casino.

It's looking good.

Can't we just send a couple of boats to anonymously put a few torpedoes in the side of it? It would save everyone a lot of hassle in the future.
 
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guestm

Guest
"USA demanding explanation why China needs a carrier".

Just **** off America, **** right off.
 

Flagdeck

War Hero
Montigny-La-Palisse;1063558[B said:
]"USA demanding explanation why China needs a carrier".[/B]

Just **** off America, **** right off.

To carry aeroplanes..........simples !.................

Shi Lang........... sister ship to Shang a Lang.....Bay City Rollers class carrier
 

Magda

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Couldn't agree more with MLP and Stirling et al. Why SHOULDN'T China have an aircraft carrier? Who writes the rules n who is allowed them, and who isn't? Certainly not Uncle Sam, however much they'd like to think they do.

But then I have this problem with nuclear enrichment programmes. I'm going to put my head above the parapet here and expect incoming, but why is it OK for the countries which have nuclear weapons to dictate who can and can't have them? If I were Iranian, I would be looking at the US, UK, Israel, Pakistan, India etc, and thinking "If they can have them, why can't we?" and "Who the hell are they to tell us we can't build our own weapons, when they've got them stashed all over the place in strategic positions?"

The sooner the US stops being the world's playground bully, the better.
 

jockpopeye

Lantern Swinger
Book Reviewer
No country is whiter than white but you can't have them if you regularly supply non state nutters with stuff to kill civilians and service personel from allied or friendly nations (Iran - Hezbollah - Israel). It's not an even playing field of fair players so the big boys get to say who gets them and who does not, if you are the strange kid with the eyes set too far apart who likes to spend most of their day pulling the wings off of flies then you don't get to play.
 

2_deck_dash

War Hero
The sooner the US stops being the world's playground bully, the better.

I disagree. As soon as the US stops being the World's playground bully, another potentially nastier bully will surely step in. I'd rather be the weak kid who helps Guber and Cletus nick the other kid's lunch money, than be at the receiving end of that weird kid Wang's butterfly knife that he's been sharpening in the corner.
 
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guestm

Guest
I disagree. As soon as the US stops being the World's playground bully, another potentially nastier bully will surely step in. I'd rather be the weak kid who helps Guber and Cletus nick the other kid's lunch money, than be at the receiving end of that weird kid Wang's butterfly knife that he's been sharpening in the corner.


**** America. (who have started and failed to finish more wars in their short existence than any of the so-called danger nations).

That is all.
 

2_deck_dash

War Hero
While I agree with your sentiments, having Uncle Sam in charge tends to keep things relatively stable. We can't even defend our own shores FFS, there is a Russian carrier group just off our coast. The only thing stopping them bumming us into the next century is because they know our slightly retarded big brother is ******* nails and will help us out.

As soon as US power falls apart we're fucked, we'll be China and all their mate's bitch.
 

Magda

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Perhaps there is an element of "better the devil you know, than the devil you don't", but I agree with MLP. China has an appalling human rights record, but then there are places in America which I'm sure could give them a run for their money (New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, perchance?). China or Russia are the only ones left who have the clout to be the new playground bullies. Would they be any worse than America? Of the two I think Russia would be the one to watch with concern.

A lot of people don't like these international agencies, but I think the UN was formed for a reason, and therefore its rules should be adhered to. I also think there shouldn't be 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council, who seem to have god-like powers over the rest of the "lesser" members.
 
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guestm

Guest
There Is no proof that we even need to defend our shores from swathes of naval hardware. The Russians have been cocking about up there armed with nothing more than piss and wind for decades.

If the Americans truly believe in spreading democracy then why are they imposing themselves on all as world police?

Answer: they're hypocritical willys.
 

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