http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7443223.stm Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't children "demonised" because some are out and out little s**ts and it's difficult to identify the good from the bad at first glance? Similarly, having removed most of the traditional means of disciplining children, isn't the real threat of the Slammer the only deterrent to badness we have left. Record numbers of pi**ed up kids causing trouble, using knives (even guns) without much care and totally prepared to kick/beat people to death is presumably a good reason to go easy on them. The child poverty argument is also wheeled in again. If children are in poverty, send the little buggers out to work! Seriously, though, poverty is an excuse always clung to by the Left and the Liberals. Leaving aside the National Service argument (as if we don't have enough problems already), what is the solution and does anyone else see this as another impending knee jerk reaction requiring lots of money to be thrown at it?