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  1. OK fellas, its come to my notice that theres been some debate on this site reference the subject of change. The purpose of this thread is to give us all a chance to suggest 1 change to the RN.
    It can be a social or technical change. It can be a minor tweak or a major overhaul.
    Lets hear it!
  2. Simple change? The ability to get rid of deadwood without the protracted, drawn out routine where DSRs and DOs can change, drafts can take place, and serious personality traits are hidden, disguised or covered up or action is not taken simply because inaction is easier and it will become someone else's problem. Applicable to all, bottom to top.

    That and a return to "all of one company" pay banding, the removal of the x-factor for non-seagoers (ie dental nurses where there is virtually no seagoing liability but they all volunteered to be seagoing!), and the removal of having to jump through hoops for civilian masters just to get our job done and to get our just financial compensation!
  3. chieftiff

    chieftiff War Hero Moderator

    Ummmmmmmmmmmmm! How about the treasury not treating the RN like a company, we are not in the business of profit making.

    Oh and when the National Audit Office carry out a government funded study and make a statement to the effect that the RN has been underfunded to such an extent that it is no longer capable of carrying out it's core business, wouldn't it be nice for the Defence Secretary to release a thought out, logical counter-argument backed by statistical and analytical data, supported by the CinC to say otherwise .............or would it just be better if he were to say :I disagree with the NAO ?

    Not bitter, just hate being bullshi**ed to.
  4. I left the mob due to the lack of shore billets for junior rates in my branch and because if any junior rate was lucky enough to get a shore billet he was grabbed by the dreaded smerp system. So my suggestion would be a fairer sea time to shore time ratio, I relaise you koin the navy to go to sea but when you do have a family there needs to be a little more harmony.
  5. One change eh?

    How about making sure that when we get rid of one destroyer, there is one destroyer there to replace it. Or when we scrap an aircraft carrier we replace it with one etc., see where I'm going with that one?

    We need to fund the Navy much better than what we are, I don't understand why all goverments see the Armed Forces as something they can reduce funding for, when their first remit is to defend the British people.
  6. how about all junior rates being treated like adults?

    when someone knows about a change in the programme/kit/duration everyone gets told!!
  7. Close - how about everyone behaving like adults - knowing when to stop drinking, knowing when to Rx instead of Tx, knowing that they have responsibilities to themselves and others - and this applies across the board, not just at the supposed "junior" rates!
  8. What about the divisional system?

    LHs, DSRs and DOs being able to instill discipline. So many "Trouble" guys get pushed from pillar to post and get away with blue murder.

    How many times have LHs and DSR tried to discipline someone and then told to "just to have a word and see how it goes".
  9. Just wind that clock back 20 years when the mob was still a formidable force and those in command did so with balls and earned respect instead of this faggoty political correctness and the shackles of dreaded health and safety.
    Hearts of oak..
  10. How about adding the letter plc after the name Royal Navy, or better still selling shares! We are pretty much a civvy company now anyway! The worst thing is they'll be some top brass reading this and thinking "Wow, give this lad a Herbett Lott, what a great idea for the coffers!"
  11. Get real. Some Lt Cdr will pick it up and stick it through for a GEMS - more money that way! Herbert Lott - bloody £25 book token for an idea which saves (in my case) £40K....bloody insult.
  12. Even better, shirt sponsorship, it works in football!!!!!!!!
  13. I think this is not solely an RN problem, most organisations fail to recognise and reward members who save them money through improvement and innovation. They will however shell out large sums to consultants and the like who mainly screw things up because they don't really understand either the probl;em, nor the way things really work.

  14. PS

    You better stay within the comfort blanket of the MOD. Commercial Companies will fail to reward anyone , staff or outsiders, of any money for ideas/information/services if they feel they have the slightest hope of getting away with it. Which in most cases they do. Lying by management in the commercial world is the norm, truth is unusual and looked upon as it must be a lie.

    15 years in the High Street Betting Industry opened my eyes very wide after time with Pusser and Plod.

  15. The removal of every single team lead by a passed over 2 1/2 and ably assisted by a WO1, who visit a hardworking ship every year and insist that their tiny area of work is the most important thing in the world. Which in turns leads to a Lt, several CPOs and possibly a LH or two wasting several days make a new log, forging signatures in aforementioned log and spending 3 hours being lectured as to our responsibilities......

    The Front Line exists to be supported by the rear, not to be lectured and have more nugatory work piled on it in order to justify some SO2s job!
  16. Of course without knowing what particular arera you were found wanting in it is difficult to say whether you are right or not. Perhaps it is the most important thing in the passed over 21/2 view as failure to do it right himself caused him to be passed over.

  17. One change?

    Royal Marines to carry big sticks to beat up naughty matloets in case they decide to mutiny again. Oh, and bring back flogging and keel hauling.
  18. Whatever spins your props mate.
  19. I reckon the changes taking place throughout the globe right now are beyond any concerns regarding the RN or other individual group or organisation. What is happening I believe is a major reshuffle of the world order and now beyond the point of no return whether we like it or not, it's unstoppable. I would like to see the RN as united as it was with the mateship and tradition but this is unlikely with the massive changes in world social structure already underway. I do like this dit about social change though and it can almost be seen happening now.
    The 100th Monkey

    A story about social change.

    by Ken Keyes, Jr.

    The Japanese monkey, Macaca fuscata, had been observed in the wild for a period of over 30years. In 1952, on the island of Koshima, scientists were providing monkeys with sweet potatoesdropped in the sand. The monkey liked the taste of the raw sweet potatoes, but they found the dirt unpleasant. An 18-month-old female named Imo found she could solve the problem by washing the potatoes in a nearby stream. She taught this trick to her mother. Her playmates also learned this new wayand they taught their mothers too.

    This cultural innovation was gradually picked up by various monkeys before the eyes of the scientists. Between 1952 and 1958 all the young monkeys learned to wash the sandy sweet potatoes to make them more palatable. Only the adults who imitated their children learned this social improvement. Other adults kept eating the dirty sweet potatoes.

    Then something startling took place. In the autumn of 1958, a certain number of Koshimam onkeys were washing sweet potatoes -- the exact number is not known. Let us suppose that when the sun rose one morning there were 99 monkeys on Koshima Island who had learned to wash their sweet potatoes. Let's further suppose that later that morning, the hundredth monkey learned to wash potatoes.

    THEN IT HAPPENED! By that evening almost everyone in the tribe was washing sweet potatoes before eating them. The added energy of this hundredth monkey somehow created an ideological breakthrough!

    But notice: A most surprising thing observed by these scientists was that the habit of washing sweet potatoes then jumped over the sea...Colonies of monkeys on other islands and the mainland troop of monkeys at Takasakiyama began washing their sweet potatoes. Thus, when a certain critical number achieves an awareness, this new awareness may be communicated from mind to mind.

    Although the exact number may vary, this Hundredth Monkey Phenomenon means that when only a limited number of people know of a new way, it may remain the conscious property of these people.

    But there is a point at which if only one more person tunes-in to a new awareness, a field is strengthened so that this awareness is picked up by almost everyone!

    This is an excerpt from the book by Ken Keyes, jr. "The Hundredth Monkey."

    The dit about the Tower of Babel is good too. I reckon that was a multi-national project that fell through in the guts because of cultural conflict.
    We live in interesting times.

  20. It was just a cheeky joke mate.

    If you want a serious one.

    Get the Navy to teach the RAF how to fly helicopters in all weathers.
    When we were in Ireland and found out it was a RAF pickup after a patrol, we knew we would be yomping 8-12 miles back to NTH after the patrol. But if it was a Navy pickup we were garunteed pickup no matter how bad the weather was.

    Or a change to improve the Navy? Create 2 battlegroups consisting of 1 carrier per group, one helo/amphib carrier and a whole host of minelayers., subs, and destroyers. Then we might be able to rule the odd wave or two. Spend a damn site more money on ships and training and find ways to keep the ranks you already have, instead of trying to get a lot more ranks through training to fill the amount of disgruntled men and women who are leaving.

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