Changes to GYH(T) for single personnel - Writer help needed

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  1. Team,

    I need some help from some pay and allowances people as i have seen in the update to JSP 752 - Allowances (Jan 14) that you are no longer entitled to GYH(T) if you are single and live out from the mess during the week. This is going to massively affect me financially as i own my flat in Glasgow, and have done since i joined, but have been posted to Portsmouth for the last 18 months. Finding a single cabin unappealing i rented a flat in the area as it allows me to have TV, Internet, cooking facilities and a life!! This has worked fine as it still allowed me to go home at weekends - no easy feat every weekend.

    My questions are:

    1. Why does it matter where i live during the week as the GYH(T) is an allowance to 'get you home' as i cant go home every night due to the exigencies of the Service? Why does living on base make any difference?

    2. A family living in SFA, who have pretty much all the same benefits as i do in my rented flat, for a fraction of the cost, still get 4 journeys home to their 'family home' - albeit reduced from 24???

    I feel that this is another example of discrimination to single serving personnel and yet another erosion of the benefits of being in the Armed Forces.

    Is there any way to make a complaint/representation due to this or do i just suck it up as 'life in a blue one'!

    Apologies for the rant but appreciate any comments you may have.

  2. Make a service complaint.
  3. What you should have done was ask for SSSA instead of searching for a flat.
  4. Window,

    I wouldn't have been eligible for SSSA as there is accommodation available; i just didnt want to be restricted to when i ate and how i should be dressed when i did!! lol
  5. janner

    janner War Hero Book Reviewer

    Put in for a draft to Faslane
  6. How much does a cabin cost on base? Less than you will be losing in GYH(T) right?
  7. I think a cabin is around £100-120 a month and would mean that i would be entitled to GYH(T) of around £320 a month - covers 2 flights just!

    However, i pay nearly £800 per month for a flat and now no GYM(T). I am not expecting any sympathy just some reasons why this change occured and any redress available
  8. exJenny

    exJenny War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    How often are you travelling home or have you rented that out?

    If your going most weekends then that's a waste of rent surely.

    Just the thoughts of a blonde ex wren
  9. I try to go home twice a month and I realise that I'll get no pity for renting a flat down here and everyone will just say live in the mess but I would like some quality of life down here. Still think my point is valid-living in or out of mess should have no bearing on my you gyh as I still have a financial commitment to my Glasgow flat

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  10. I'll try and see if I can get the actual reason for you tomorrow. Can't make no promises though.
  11. Cheers. Much appreciated window. Who says the white mafia are unhelpful lol

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  12. To be honest, I usually do!
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  13. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    Whichever way you cut it the allowances packages alter over time, some elements get better, some worse. The truth is there is less and less money to support it, so occasionally it's altered to rebalance it.

    None of these allowances form the core Terms and Conditions we sign up to - they are additional perks, although I'm loathed to use the term perk.

    The distinction between singles and married people has always been contentious, from my perspective I think I can see why the allowances generally favour married people - its a game of retention and by numbers there are likely to be more married people, who are on the fully trained strength and hence they focus scarce resources there.

    That said I noticed in the last few years the early years allowances have been aimed at newer entrants and helping them, so perhaps the Pay Colonels staff noticed that was needed and adjusted - with either new money or by taking it from somewhere else.

    A service complaint is unlikely to do very much - at the end of the day the admin staff will point out you choose to move ashore, you could choose to move back onboard and allowances are not in any way shape or form guaranteed.

    Not saying this is right, it's a reality of a big business juggling money and it can't satisfy everyone.

    The newer changes are explained here: Rebalancing the Armed Forces Allowances Package: Update I don't see any mention that this affects singles though. Its not the DIN so its not definitive, have you asked at your UPO how this affects you?

    Not much response on ARRSE either? One of my wingers is an Army PAY&ALLOW specialist I'll ask him to chase this down later today.
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2014
  14. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    Just a thought - if you're paying for your flat at your Baseport (and feeding yourself and paying bills), and you're paying for a place in Glasgow (presumably the mortgage, poll tax and utilities) that's a lot a month - doesn't leave a lot for quality of life?

    Can you rent out the PMP in Glasgow or does that have to be occupied by you?
  15. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Whilst appreciating you want an answer to your query, not an appraisal of your lifestyle, it's never a good idea to try and compare your lot if a single childless service person with that of a married person with a family, as you're not comparing like for like and the package for married personnel has evolved over many years to try and help retain married personnel by offering reasonable subsidised housing - it may even apply to you in later life. If the latter have had their travel allowance reduced from 24 to 4, my guess is they are financially worse off in any case.

    In this day and age, it may not seem unreasonable to expect to be owning your own flat, which you live-in maybe 2-3 days a week and having the luxury of renting another one for the other 4-5 days. That said, besides doing your own cooking, one would imagine a TV, internet and social life are not the exclusive domain of those who live-out.

    As Wave-Dodger points out, even living-in and commuting as frequently as you do, there can't be much money left with regards "having a life" unless you're perhaps running a crack-den and making a bit more money to augment your meagre existence during the week.

    Whenever I privately rented accommodation as a single person in my base-port area I could only afford to rent a shared house & I could never have afforded to buy a house/flat and have the luxury of living-out simultaneously - it was only ever buy house/live-in or live-out/don't buy house. OK I've been married 15 years and have no recent experience of the single lifestyle, but I'm surprised you are able to have your cake and eat it in your own house of a weekend, 440 miles away, and continue scoffing it in a rented one during the week.
  16. You'd be over £1100 a month better off by moving into SLA. I personally wound't say no to that for the sake of having less choice in what/where I eat four nights a week.
  17. Okay, I actually chased this up and you may have actually misread it. The changes do only apply to personnel like myself (Married, in SLA but with my house elsewhere). The quickest way to check this is to go to your UPO and nicely ask them to check your retro pay for the month (this is up) and this should confirm that you're being paid GYH at the previous rate.

    I would echo what Ninja and Wave Dodger have said though. If your finances are that tight that an allowance losing £200 p/m has that much of an effect, you really need to consider moving into SLA. For the amount you save, you can actually dine extremely well every night in Southsea. It would give you a lot more for flights as well.
  18. Not that I enjoy correcting loggies or anything but if you look at the ineligibility section for GYH(T) in the new JSP it says you are ineligible if living in privately owned or rented accommodation at your duty station. Looks cut and dried and it's gone.

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  19. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    I think there are two distinct issues here - the allowance package has altered and it looks (from cjg375) that separately the JSP has had a rewrite that may or may not have been widely disted.I'm no loggie or Pay/Allowance guru, my Army colleague who is was unaware of the latter.
  20. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    Looking at the JSP amendment pages:"b. Get You Home (Travel) (Private Maintained Property). Where SP occupy private accommodation at their duty station, there is no entitlement to claim GYH(T) to a PMP elsewhere, regardless of whether HDT (Private) is in issue, or not."Seem's fair enough - if a SP has funds to support a private residence at the place of work, why does the tax payer support travel to another residence elsewhere? Can't have it both ways.Noting this was signalled by CDP staff on 13 Dec just as the silly season started I'm not surprised it's not fully out in the wild.

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