Ceremonial Day coats for those below flag rank?

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  1. Skipperino

    Skipperino Midshipman

    Hello all

    The current (June 2015) RN uniform regulations only allow Ceremonial Day Dress for those of Flag Rank; however, both the present Prince of Wales (whilst a Commander from at least 1979 and as a Captain) and the Duke of York (whilst a Commander) both wore this uniform on numerous occasions despite being below flag rank at the time.

    The current dress regulations mention nothing about any commissioned officer, royal or non-royal, below flag rank being entitled to wear ceremonial day dress. Anyone know if any of the previous regulations did?
     
  2. Skipperino

    Skipperino Midshipman

    More to the point; why was Ceremonial Day Dress, the 1959 'modernised' version of full dress which had been suspended but not abolished at the outbreak of war in 1939, restricted only to flag officers anyway; when full dress was allowed for sublieutenants and above (although its use was suspended 1916-1918 and it was restricted to levees and made compulsory only for those of the rank of commander and above afterwards)?
     
  3. Montigny-La-Palisse

    Montigny-La-Palisse War Hero Moderator

    You should tell them they're out of the rig of the day. Let us know how you get on.
     
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  4. Ageing_Gracefully

    Ageing_Gracefully War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    Might be a question that @Seaweed might be able to answer or at least throw some light on. His knowledge of this era is quite extensive, going by some of his reviews.
     
  5. epsom salt

    epsom salt Badgeman

    [​IMG] 1948 on Standard of HRH The Duke of Edinburgh A banner of the Coat of Arms of the Duke of Edinburgh, 1st quarter representing Denmark, 2nd quarter Greece, 3rd quarter the Mountbatten family, 4th quarter Edinburgh
    [​IMG] 2000 on Standard of HRH The Duke of Cambridge Banner of the Prince's Coat of Arms, the Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom with a three-point label, the centre label bearing an Escallop in reference to the arms of Diana, Princess of Wales
    [​IMG] 2002 on Standard of HRH Prince Henry of Wales (Prince Harry) Banner of the Prince's Coat of Arms, the Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom with a five-point label, the first, centre and fifth labels bearing an Escallop in reference to the arms of Diana, Princess of Wales
    [​IMG] 1978 on Standard of HRH The Duke of York Banner of the Duke's Coat of Arms, the Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom with a three-point label, the centre label bearing a blue anchor
    [​IMG] 2006 on Standard of HRH Princess Beatrice of York Banner of the Princess's Coat of Arms, the Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom with a five-point label with three bees in alternating points
    [​IMG] 2008 on Standard of HRH Princess Eugenie of York Banner of the Princess's Coat of Arms, the Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom with a five-point label with three thistle heads in alternating points
    [​IMG] Standard of HRH The Earl of Wessex Banner of the Earl's Coat of Arms, the Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom with a three-point label, the centre label bearing a Tudor Rose
    [​IMG] Standard of HRH The Princess Royal Banner of the Princess's Coat of Arms, the Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom with a three-point label, the first and third labels bearing a red cross, the centre label bearing a red heart.
    [​IMG] 1962 on Standard of HRH The Duke of Gloucester Banner of the Duke's Coat of Arms, the Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom with a five-point label, the first, third and fifth labels bearing a red cross, the second and fourth labels bearing a red lion.
    [​IMG] Standard of HRH The Duke of Kent Banner of the Duke's Coat of Arms, the Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom with a five-point label, the first, third and fifth labels bearing a blue anchor, the second and fourth labels bearing a red cross.
    [​IMG] Standard of HRH Prince Michael of Kent Banner of the Prince's Coat of Arms, the Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom with a five-point label, the first, third and fifth labels bearing a red cross, the second and fourth labels bearing a blue anchor.
    [​IMG] 1961 on Standard of HRH Princess Alexandra, The Honourable Lady Ogilvy Banner of the Princess's Coat of Arms, the Royal Coat of Arms of the United Kingdom with a five-point label, the first and fifth labels bearing a red heart, the third label bearing a red cross, the second and fourth labels bearing a blue anchor.
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  6. Skipperino

    Skipperino Midshipman

    Erm...the information on the standards of the members of the Royal Family, while interesting; I doesn't have anything to do with the question re. ceremonial dress
     
  7. WreckerL

    WreckerL War Hero

    But was a nice cut 'n' paste from wiki :)
     
  8. Polto

    Polto War Hero

    I should imagine a royal such as the POW is allowed to wear whatever his mum says he can wear...
     
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  9. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    Does it alter the price of fish?
     
  10. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    Frankly if you are a member of the Royal Family then you can wear what you want, and to hell with the BRs.
     
  11. Skipperino

    Skipperino Midshipman

    The present dress regs (June 2015) state on the subject: "Ceremonial Day Coats are worn by members of the Royal Family attaining flag rank, First Sea Lord, Admirals of the Fleet, full Admirals and the defence services secretary when a Naval Officer'-which explains why Prince William, despite being a Lieutenant RN, wears reefer jacket with sword and medals at the most formal occasions concerned with the Royal Navy despite being both a Royal and a Naval officer.
     
  12. Skipperino

    Skipperino Midshipman

    Yes...yes it does. Probably.
     
  13. Wightsparker

    Wightsparker War Hero

    Polto said: "I should imagine a royal such as the POW is allowed to wear whatever his mum says he can wear..."

    Or his dad. Apart from the fox hat.
     
  14. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    In the nicest possible way, why can this possibly matter. Its a uniform, they wear it as they wish. The world keeps on spinning and nothing changes. What is the problem we're trying to fix here exactly?
     
  15. bollotom

    bollotom War Hero

    Worrabout NCO's and below? Don't they feel the cold too? :cool:
     
  16. epsom salt

    epsom salt Badgeman

    One rule for the Highfalutin and another for the Hoi Polloi---It was ever thus.
    Steer clear of the UK Armed Forces if you find such Protocol reprehensible.
     
  17. Skipperino

    Skipperino Midshipman

    No problem; and it's not something that keeps me awake at night; it's just one of those historical curiosities which I find interesting. Granted, others may not, but that's not my concern.

    Anyway; back to the question...
     
  18. alfred_the_great

    alfred_the_great War Hero

    And Random capitalisation.
     
  19. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    And Lieutenant Commanders.
     
  20. kinross_special

    kinross_special War Hero

    to say nothing of execrable Greek - literally "and another for the the many."

    round the buoy Norm...
     

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