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Can I join the Navy if I was previously on Anti-Depressants?

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@Waspie , don't rise to it.
@unk2 , PM sent.
Rising to it is what the armed forces taught us to do.
If Waspie is frightened to reply then so be it.
He professes being a civilian yet reminisces on -what should be- an armed forces site.
Why does he?
Presumably his naval past was the most interesting his life has been. Sad but probably true,
Mine was the least interesting but interesting never-the-less.
I am on here from time to time not to reminisce-but to see how my taxes are being mis-spent.
 

Chris P

Lantern Swinger
Rising to it is what the armed forces taught us to do.
If Waspie is frightened to reply then so be it.
He professes being a civilian yet reminisces on -what should be- an armed forces site.
Why does he?
Presumably his naval past was the most interesting his life has been. Sad but probably true,
Mine was the least interesting but interesting never-the-less.
I am on here from time to time not to reminisce-but to see how my taxes are being mis-spent.
Think you've come to wrong site somehow..:oops:
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
Rising to it is what the armed forces taught us to do.
If Waspie is frightened to reply then so be it.
He professes being a civilian yet reminisces on -what should be- an armed forces site.
Why does he?
Presumably his naval past was the most interesting his life has been. Sad but probably true,
Mine was the least interesting but interesting never-the-less.
I am on here from time to time not to reminisce-but to see how my taxes are being mis-spent.
Check your PMs and abide by what was said please.
 

Dredd

War Hero
Super Moderator
Here is the page you referenced according to date:


You will note that there is no 2020/01605.

What you meant to reference was this:



So we find that the figure for the RN/RM was 1,500. Current strength is 39,050. Making it a percentage of 4%.

What was your point? Other than being some snide comment on how you think people suffering from mental health problems don't deserve to serve.

As we are repeatedly telling you - like it or not the world and our society has moved on from when you were serving as a cabin boy on a forth rate. And has been mentioned in an earlier post, there is difference between recruiting and currently serving.

Your obsession with this is really quite sad and verging on pathetic. Thanks for the laughs though.


ETA - it is good they redacted your email address from the response.
 
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Here is the page you referenced according to date:


You will note that there is no 2020/01605.

What you meant to reference was this:



So we find that the figure for the RN/RM was 1,500. Current strength is 39,050. Making it a percentage of 4%.

What was your point? Other than being some snide comment on how you think people suffering from mental health problems don't deserve to serve.

As we are repeatedly telling you - like it or not the world and our society has moved on from when you were serving as a cabin boy on a forth rate. And has been mentioned in an earlier post, there is difference between recruiting and currently serving.

Your obsession with this is really quite sad and verging on pathetic. Thanks for the laughs though.


ETA - it is good they redacted your email address from the response.
So long as you were able to laugh-life has not been in vain. That Her Majesty's Armed Forces is beset with mental problems is something we should accept as par for the course? The number of males on Viagra is really worrying I would have thought--Small percentage that they thankfully represent --notwithstanding.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
So long as you were able to laugh-life has not been in vain. That Her Majesty's Armed Forces is beset with mental problems is something we should accept as par for the course? The number of males on Viagra is really worrying I would have thought--Small percentage that they thankfully represent --notwithstanding.
Are you trying to tell us that there were no service personnel with mental health problems in your era?

There were probably thousands but people like yourself probably told them to "man up" or ridiculed them. Thankfully the world has moved on, even if you haven't.
 

Dredd

War Hero
Super Moderator
So long as you were able to laugh-life has not been in vain. That Her Majesty's Armed Forces is beset with mental problems is something we should accept as par for the course? The number of males on Viagra is really worrying I would have thought--Small percentage that they thankfully represent --notwithstanding.

You may be missing the critical point though.

HM Armed Forces have ALWAYS had people in their ranks with mental health issues - many due to the very nature of what they did and experienced. In the past though, it was difficult for them to seek treatment, for many reasons, but medicine has taken a greater interest in this side of human wellness and therefore it is better recognised and treated than before. And if this can be done while still serving then all well and good because we are currently undermanned. You are taking a very broad brush, dipping it into your big pot of prejudice and tarring everyone with the same when you have no idea as to who, what, when or why.

You are also assuming that the Viagra is issued for only one reason. In fact, it is also used to treat pulmonary hypertension. And if I were to focus on the number prescribed over the same year the percentage came out as 0.7%.

So why are you finding that of concern?
 
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You may be missing the critical point though.

HM Armed Forces have ALWAYS had people in their ranks with mental health issues - many due to the very nature of what they did and experienced. In the past though, it was difficult for them to seek treatment, for many reasons, but medicine has taken a greater interest in this side of human wellness and therefore it is better recognised and treated than before. And if this can be done while still serving then all well and good because we are currently undermanned. You are taking a very broad brush, dipping it into your big pot of prejudice and tarring everyone with the same when you have no idea as to who, what, when or why.

You are also assuming that the Viagra is issued for only one reason. In fact, it is also used to treat pulmonary hypertension. And if I were to focus on the number prescribed over the same year the percentage came out as 0.7%.

So why are you finding that of concern?
But how did they get into an Armed Force with high blood pressure requiring Viagra to correct it.
You obviously served in a different Navy from mine and my family's and struggling to tell me you are right and I am wrong.
What is the use of an Armed Force--Ready for action-- if it suffers from such health and mental problems?
We may as well save money and get rid of it for what's worth.
What amazes me is that you find it of no concern. Perhaps you do, but are resorting to flannel and hyperbole to pretend otherwise.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
But how did they get into an Armed Force with high blood pressure requiring Viagra to correct it.
You obviously served in a different Navy from mine and my family's and struggling to tell me you are right and I am wrong.
What is the use of an Armed Force--Ready for action-- if it suffers from such health and mental problems?
We may as well save money and get rid of it for what's worth.
What amazes me is that you find it of no concern. Perhaps you do, but are resorting to flannel and hyperbole to pretend otherwise.
Where does it say in any posts or publications that people joined with high blood pressure...I'll give you a clue, it doesn't, as it's a joining medical failure. As Dredd has stated, but you've ignored, most, if not all, mental health issues have arisen due to the nature of the job and their experiences. If you care to check the police, ambulance/paramedics and fire service have the same issues due to the nature of their roles.

I'm not sure what navy you and your family served in that you frequently allude to but it obviously was never involved in any conflicts or naval/military actions of any sort, apart from showing the flag abroad. You have all the hallmarks of a barrack stanchion tbh.
 

Dredd

War Hero
Super Moderator
But how did they get into an Armed Force with high blood pressure requiring Viagra to correct it.
You obviously served in a different Navy from mine and my family's and struggling to tell me you are right and I am wrong.
What is the use of an Armed Force--Ready for action-- if it suffers from such health and mental problems?
We may as well save money and get rid of it for what's worth.
What amazes me is that you find it of no concern. Perhaps you do, but are resorting to flannel and hyperbole to pretend otherwise.

I am not telling you anything about who is right or wrong. Whether or not you or I agree with it, it simply is. If you only ever see a debate as being who is right, you have started off on the wrong foot and are wasting everyone's time.

Your focus on this small part of the current Armed Forces and their situation continues to be a mystery to most of us on here though. There are far greater issues of more concern than this, the main one being - as an island nation where 90%+ of imports and exports are by sea, do we have the necessary naval strength to protect our interests in relation to the threat profiles both current and future? Do we have the right balance of technology to meet these threats? Are we sufficiently aware of what our potential foes can do and prepared to not just counter them but if necessary, defeat them?

I would be intrigued as to what your solution would be to the 'problem' you insist should be of over-whelming concern to 2SL. Please be sure to reference the current status of civpol when it comes to mental health so we have a viable comparison. Remember, these are not only who we protect but also where we draw our recruits from. Then set it in the context of above - the purpose being to protect our shores, our sovereign interests and to project our power abroad should it be required.
 
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You may be missing the critical point though.

HM Armed Forces have ALWAYS had people in their ranks with mental health issues - many due to the very nature of what they did and experienced. In the past though, it was difficult for them to seek treatment, for many reasons, but medicine has taken a greater interest in this side of human wellness and therefore it is better recognised and treated than before. And if this can be done while still serving then all well and good because we are currently undermanned. You are taking a very broad brush, dipping it into your big pot of prejudice and tarring everyone with the same when you have no idea as to who, what, when or why.

You are also assuming that the Viagra is issued for only one reason. In fact, it is also used to treat pulmonary hypertension. And if I were to focus on the number prescribed over the same year the percentage came out as 0.7%.

So why are you finding that of concern?
The Royal navy always have had:-

Stewards and Officer's Cooks who were never of the highest order. Those that caulked and scrubbed the decks were a little better, but they were kept clear of anything vital.
Today we have ships that are capable of inflicting unimaginable horrors being (perhaps) in the hands of a Ships Company beset with psychological and other manifest health problems.
You will, seemingly, sleep easy in your bed--Others,perhaps,won't.
 

Dredd

War Hero
Super Moderator
The Royal navy always have had:-

Stewards and Officer's Cooks who were never of the highest order. Those that caulked and scrubbed the decks were a little better, but they were kept clear of anything vital.
Today we have ships that are capable of inflicting unimaginable horrors being (perhaps) in the hands of a Ships Company beset with psychological and other manifest health problems.
You will, seemingly, sleep easy in your bed--Others,perhaps,won't.

And there goes the broad brush again.

" . . . beset with psychological and other manifest health problems"

The RN, like any modern armed force, is a complex beast but it is one run by a myriad of regulations and protocols, supported by professional branches to manage them. Medical is a key one. So if they are keeping people in post rather than temporarily or permanently remove them, I'll defer to their judgement and not yours.

They know the individual circumstances, who they are, where they are, what they could be called upon to do and what they have done. We don't.

So yes, I sleep easy at night.
 

DocH

Midshipman
The Royal navy always have had:-

Stewards and Officer's Cooks who were never of the highest order. Those that caulked and scrubbed the decks were a little better, but they were kept clear of anything vital.
Today we have ships that are capable of inflicting unimaginable horrors being (perhaps) in the hands of a Ships Company beset with psychological and other manifest health problems.
You will, seemingly, sleep easy in your bed--Others,perhaps,won't.

Well it started with a potential recruit asking a simple question, and ended with a complete misunderstanding of mental health, medicine, and physiology. Impressive jump.
Your response to the above has been the very definition of stigma and, if you can manage it, don't comment on issues you don't understand.

Happy to correct you on any of the rubbish mentioned in your posts, but by request only as you strike me as the type that doesn't listen if it doesn't fit their narrative.
 

Alfacharlie

War Hero
So long as you were able to laugh-life has not been in vain. That Her Majesty's Armed Forces is beset with mental problems is something we should accept as par for the course? The number of males on Viagra is really worrying I would have thought--Small percentage that they thankfully represent --notwithstanding.
You really are getting on my tits!
 
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Well it started with a potential recruit asking a simple question, and ended with a complete misunderstanding of mental health, medicine, and physiology. Impressive jump.
Your response to the above has been the very definition of stigma and, if you can manage it, don't comment on issues you don't understand.

Happy to correct you on any of the rubbish mentioned in your posts, but by request only as you strike me as the type that doesn't listen if it doesn't fit their narrative.
All ears if you say something worth listening to.
 
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