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British Conspiracy Theorist (Nutjob) Off on Freebie to US...

Jack77

War Hero
Re: British Conspiracy Theorist (Nutjob) Off on Freebie to U

If this bloke is a British citizen, then its a rather shameful ceding of British sovereignty to allow him to be extradited to a foreign country for trial. In any case, it seems that he was physically present in the UK when his alleged offences were committed, therefore he should be tried there.
 

NZ_Bootneck

War Hero
Er, we have Extradition Treaties with the US Government, if the Death Penalty isn't on the cards and it's not he will go the crimes were commited in Cyberspace the US Government will probably give the guy a deal..if he tells them how he did it.
I think however a course of treatment at a Psychiactric Hospital would be more suitable for this man.
 
The extradition treaties we have seem to be one sided.

It strikes me the Elmers only want him because he took the piss out of their security. I don't think he should be taken.
 

Oil_Slick

War Hero
Re: British Conspiracy Theorist (Nutjob) Off on Freebie to U

Streaky said:
The extradition treaties we have seem to be one sided.

It strikes me the Elmers only want him because he took the piss out of their security. I don't think he should be taken.



Bingo!


Made them look like frigging amatuers so they want to make an example of him.
 

w.anchor

War Hero
Re: British Conspiracy Theorist (Nutjob) Off on Freebie to U

I'm willing to be corrected on this but as far as I know.The U.S. has immunity of prosecution from the International court.
If this is the case it seems a bit one sided.If they can extradite almost at will those they wish to prosecute in the U.S.
 

Tall_bloke

Lantern Swinger
Re: British Conspiracy Theorist (Nutjob) Off on Freebie to U

Wouldn't surprise me if this bloke is whisked away somewhere, offered a hefty paycheque and asked to work for some Government agency somewhere. NSA possibly? Or have I just been watching too many movies? :ufo:
 
Re: British Conspiracy Theorist (Nutjob) Off on Freebie to U

Tall_bloke said:
Wouldn't surprise me if this bloke is whisked away somewhere, offered a hefty paycheque and asked to work for some Government agency somewhere. NSA possibly? Or have I just been watching too many movies? :ufo:

Talking about 'spooky', it could have been so much worse. Remember the 1983 film War Games? (link):

...A young man finds a back door into a military central computer in which reality is confused with game-playing, possibly starting World War III.
 
NZ_Bootneck said:
Er, we have Extradition Treaties with the US Government, if the Death Penalty isn't on the cards and it's not he will go the crimes were commited in Cyberspace the US Government will probably give the guy a deal..if he tells them how he did it.
I think however a course of treatment at a Psychiactric Hospital would be more suitable for this man.

Our "Extradition Treaty" with the US Government involves us giving anyone they want to them, but getting nothing in return.
Bit like the so-called "Special Relationship" in general then :)
 

Karma

War Hero
Re: British Conspiracy Theorist (Nutjob) Off on Freebie to U

NZ_Bootneck said:
....Extradition Treaties with the US Government, if the Death Penalty isn't on the cards and it's not......

Notwithstanding that I would consider a point about proportionality, the kind of sentences being suggested are wholly disproportionate with respect to the offence.

.....the crimes were commited in Cyberspace .......

The crime was commited from a desk in the UK, he will have used tools hosted on his PC and potentially hosted on a range of servers somewhere on the internet, some of which may or may not have been located in the US.

...the US Government will probably give the guy a deal...

From the BBC website yesterday, apparently he already has been and refused it. It would have brought the sentence down to only 5 years, to be served in the UK. This extradition is because he wasn't prepared to do that.

...if he tells them how he did it....

They already know, they tracked him down...

... I think however a course of treatment at a Psychiactric Hospital would be more suitable for this man.

It takes all sorts :) I had some official dealings at one stage with some of the UFO hunters in the UK. In the main they were pretty reasonable people, although there is a lunatic fringe, if a bit prone to anoraks and NHS glasses with sticking plaster holding one of the legs on... :D
 
Re: British Conspiracy Theorist (Nutjob) Off on Freebie to U

Tall_bloke said:
Wouldn't surprise me if this bloke is whisked away somewhere, offered a hefty paycheque and asked to work for some Government agency somewhere. NSA possibly? Or have I just been watching too many movies? :ufo:

Tend to agree with you there,poacher turned gamekeeper springs to mind.

But there again we're talking common sense,something goverments lack at times.

Bet they make a movie though. :thumright:
 
I hate it when half of me is ranting "bloody septics! think they own the World" and the other is thinking "daft sod, should be nailed for being such a, err, daft sod".

As I understand it, he'd have broken the Law here if he'd done that to a British computer system. Isn't a British National liable to prosecution here if British law is broken overseas, particularly if it's from British Territory? Although yet more expense to the Crown would annoy me, prosecution under our laws in our courts would annoy me less than the US being free to pull whoever they want from wherever they want. It would also make some pretence that the British Government isn't just a satellite of the one in Washington.
 

finknottle

Banned
Re: British Conspiracy Theorist (Nutjob) Off on Freebie to U

We all know that PM Blair had his head up the Yanks arse and Brown has done nothing to show he disagrees with that practice, I find that this one sided 'special relationship' leaves a foul taste in the mouth.
 

Allnightin

Lantern Swinger
Re: British Conspiracy Theorist (Nutjob) Off on Freebie to U

While I'm no fan of the unbalanced extradition arrangements between UK and US - remember the IRA terrorists that stayed that side of the pond? - I can't help feeling that this time it is good to see someone taking a firm stand on hackers who seem to think they are above the law. I understood that he is supposed to have deleted several hundred accounts - what is that if not a criminal attack on the defence capability of the country?
 

Henry

Badgeman
Re: British Conspiracy Theorist (Nutjob) Off on Freebie to U

Allnightin said:
what is that if not a criminal attack on the defence capability of the country?

In this case he ought to be awarded by the states for exposing security hole in their defence and not persecuted. He did them a good service.
I bet he was not very popular with the Chinese at that time ... :rendeer:
 

Karma

War Hero
Re: British Conspiracy Theorist (Nutjob) Off on Freebie to U

Henry said:
I bet he was not very popular with the Chinese at that time ... :rendeer:

And Moscow I imagine, hmm???
 

Henry

Badgeman
Re: British Conspiracy Theorist (Nutjob) Off on Freebie to U

Karma. I doubt it... Surely, Moscow must be supplying engineers to write US security software :)
 

angry_mac

War Hero
If the Yanks arent employing talented people to ensure the security of their systems, why the **** should we extradite a talented individual who broke them. Tell the dumbfuck yanks to piss off and then hire the guy to break the chinese and Russian systems.
 
It is worth remembering that hackers trespass into private property, be that property a military, personal or NHS computer. If A steals X from B we call it theft. Yet by accessing data to which he is forbidden or ought to know he is forbidden access, is theft, however one likes to dress it up. It would be one thing had he accidentally accessed private property, but my understanding is that he did so willfully. He thought he was above the law. The crucial question is surely whether his willful act was the consequence of rational intent or the result of mental illness. If the latter, he should be treated. If the former, he should be punished. When hackers access your bank details you don't question if, typically he, ought to be punished.

Now diverging onto the issue of NY courts refusing to extradite IRA terrorists, we could of course have followed their example, finding a misplaced comma or the wrong colour ink being used as a (frivolous) ground for rejection. Personally I think he should be extradited. Like the bankers who expected a very short custodial sentence if they were prosecuted in the UK, but were fortunately (despite protests from fellow bankers who hoodwinked the public into backing their case) extradited and punished. Those who expect trivial sentences because they happen to belong to a profession or come from the similar social strata as the judiciary and those who believe that their criminal activity is somehow OK because it takes place in hyperspace are wrong and should face the same treatment as ordinary people. Remember, there is little moral difference between distributing child pornography and hacking. They are legal relatives.
 
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