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Big reserve forces cuts inbound

dunkers

War Hero
Only in Britain are we so stupid. Britain has established an Armed Forces reserve of ~40,000 (inc. RNR, RMR, RAuxAF) and has managed to generate widespread public knowledge of what the TA is - tell someone you're in the TA and they will have at least a general idea of what that is. Now there is an idea being mooted that it's sensible to cut that number in half.

While everyone's caught up in musing over what the uses of such a large force are, nobody is considering the effects the cut will have on two things - public awareness and recruiting. For one, if you lessen the "footprint" - as the popular term seems to be - of TA units in a large region of the country, this will have obvious ill effect on public perception of the Army in that region (the army, particularly the TA, will become ever further from the public psyche). Secondly, through that lack of awareness, recruiting will be hampered greatly - if you want 15,000 gung-ho part-time soldiers eager to fight in wars that the British public don't care about, then you're going to have to look far and wide in that British public to find the people you need. To look far and wide you'll need TA units everywhere - exactly as the system is now!

Is it not clear that the system needs spare capacity, and our regular forces are currently suffering for the lack of it?

Cut back the numbers enough to the point that large numbers of servicemen leave the military out of dejection that their careers are going nowhere, and you will quickly have very few young men left interested in the defence of the United Kingdom.
 

McCloggie

Lantern Swinger
For all the promise of consultation, political speak of the vital role etc. etc. note that the Review starts on April 1st.

Do they think we are all fools?

McC
 

Old_Tyke

Midshipman
well whats going on? Ceres is growing and then you get this 'reserve forces face cuts' thing....whats going on? Joined up government thinking????
 

trehorn

War Hero
Old_Tyke said:
well whats going on? Ceres is growing and then you get this 'reserve forces face cuts' thing....whats going on? Joined up government thinking????

I wouldn't say we're growing. We are just no longer going to be administered by HMS SHERWOOD as of April 1st.
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
Reservist Monkey has had some PM's from concerned indivduals who believe my earlier post has breached OPSEC. Just to relieve a few furrowed brows, all the material is available on the Army web.

Actually English Heritage have just published a "great" book about the UK Communictations system that was implemented during the cold war - very interesting read, if you're that way inclined and has a few people twitching.

http://www.army.mod.uk/royalsignals/equipment/digital.html#PTARMIGAN

http://www.army.mod.uk/royalsignals/uk.htm
 

Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
Agree with WD there, the mods have gone WAY overboard in their demands for OPSEC on this issue.

Knowledge of 2 NC Sig Bde set up is totally open source, and is quoted in JDP2-02 among other documents, all of which are in the public domain and available for anyone to download. I am all for sensible opsec procedures when appropriate, but this is a step too far and frankly a total overreaction which is innapropriate. Yes there are certain things linked to 2NC that should not be discussed, but having looked at WD´s post, I am struggling to spot them (and I say this as someone with more than a passing professional interest in 2NC Bdes work).
 

Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
I did look at what WD said, and I note that his deleted areas refer to capabilities that are public knowledge. I also note that his hugely scathing attack on the Mods request to edit has now been edited since this afternoon - how convenient!

Sorry to seem cyncial, and I´m usually one for observing PERSEC / OPSEC requests, but this one just seems silly.
 
PT

Always interested to hear comments. I did request that the post be edited but have not edited anything on this thread nor have I asked for the edits of any further posts.

The decision to make this request was mine and not any other mod, so the 'mods' requested nothing, it was just me.

Assorted comms systems are not my area of expertise so am happy to stand corrected. That said I have seen OPSEC/PERSEC breaches both here and on other sites and would always be inclined to act first as I sure you would too in my position. While I would love to have the time to research each potential breach, I am sure you would agree that real life has a habit of getting in the way.

I'm happy to take any PMs on the subject.

Many thanks
RM
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
I edited my original post and submitted a further explanatory note because I received this from RM :

"I've been messaged about some of the content of your post 17 1610A Mar 08 wrt technical nature of the content. It seems fair comment, I don't feel the need to heavily-handed bugger about with the post but could you edit the details of Ptarmigan etc just to reduce any potential OPSEC issues."

I have subsequently edited the comments because they had been made, everyone who read the post understood my point - which wasn't aimed at the MODS in the slightest.

WD
 

Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
Fair enough RM - but I think this is a case where old salts who knew this stuff when it was new in the 1980's are overreacting. As I said, I deal a lot with 2NC and saw nothing on the orginal post to get my Spidey senses tingling...
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
PT, I think you are being far too kind. There are just so many people on RR that are out of touch, have no real clue about Sy (of all the varieties) and just want to feel as though they are contributing. Again, not aimed at the MODS.

RR should be renamed the Mess Square................ :thumright:

Off to gorge myself on the kids Easter eggs.
 

Karma

War Hero
Purple_twiglet said:
I did look at what WD said, and I note that his deleted areas refer to capabilities that are public knowledge. I also note that his hugely scathing attack on the Mods request to edit has now been edited since this afternoon - how convenient!

Sorry to seem cyncial, and I´m usually one for observing PERSEC / OPSEC requests, but this one just seems silly.

fwiw I saw it before and after the edits, and perhaps I just have a wholly different view of scathing than you do.

Anyway, more to the point.

The R.Sigs TA organisaiton does contain quite a lot of legacy capability which could probably do with being culled. Personally I would hope that any review takes into account the requirements of the Civil Contingencies Secretariat, although that would probably require some investment to bring the MACA/ MACP capability up to scratch. Whilst we're no longer looking at a post-nuclear recovery a range of potential scenarios exist.

I would also query the point about footprint, the same issue that the RNR has about RTUs and the specialisations. Reducing geographic coverage risks exacerbating the recruiting problem. Units like LIAG can survive, but their contribution is very specialised and the members of that unit don't tend to do full deployments. I'm unconvinced that's a sustainable model for the rest of the force.

Still, all just speculation at this time.
 
Not R Sigs, it's R Signals. Just a minor point, but one that is fairly emotive to them...

Anyway, back to the chocolate and rule of the road, such an exciting life I lead!
 

Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
"The R.Sigs TA organisaiton does contain quite a lot of legacy capability which could probably do with being culled. Personally I would hope that any review takes into account the requirements of the Civil Contingencies Secretariat, although that would probably require some investment to bring the MACA/ MACP capability up to scratch."

The stated CCs requirement for TA assistance in anything right now is currently zero. There is no requirement for TA assistance full stop in this area. This is one of the reasons why the review is occuring.
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
alfred_the_great said:
Not R Sigs, it's R Signals.

They are as bad as we are:

From WIRE, the Corps Magazine (Jun 03) "ROYAL SIGNALS MANNING & CAREER MANAGEMENT DIVISION- by Maj CM Vaudin INTRODUCTION - By Col JE Richardson MBE, Colonel RSigs/Int Corps, MCM Div"

In fact MCM Div used this abbreviation for the Corps in 99% of its correspondance.

Sorry, bollocks I know, gardening leave is dullllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
 
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