Better Leave = Better retention?

Skawtish

Midshipman
6 weeks paid leave is absolutely atrocious, especially if you are at sea for length.
RFA get 21 days paid leave for every month at sea. Why can't the RN do similar? Surely this would be preferable to having a RN comprised entirely of reservists, which seems to be their current initiative.
If their is a drastic manpower shortage, maybe they should start thinking about making drastic changes.
As is, a RN career is a completely unappealing prospect to anyone who is even slightly pragmatic.
 

Sumo

War Hero
I think the 38 days we get is fine. Try the 20 most civilian companies get.
WD sort of agree but most civvies go home every night and every weekend, I for one have never worked a weekend since leaving the mob, I have traveled twice on a Sunday and once flew to Canada on bank holiday Monday.
 

Skawtish

Midshipman
Try the 20 most civilian companies get.
Apples and oranges. I'm talking specifically about seatime. In the world of offshore work, we are badly short changed when compared with the civilian sector.
1:1 rotations, or better, are now the norm in most offshore and deep sea industries.
Granted, this wouldn't be practical for a Navy but, I certainly think they can do better than a flat 6 weeks.
2:1 would be reasonable. i.e a 4 month deployment would earn you 2 months paid leave.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Funnily enough, I always find it a struggle to take all leave owed before the leave year is complete.

I get the fact some may feel more leave would make them reconsider staying in the mob but equally the painful truth is the mob hasn't changed, the individual circumstances have.

In other words most of us join as young, carefree individuals whose social life orbits the job. As we grow older, maybe enter into a relationship, have kids, a mortgage, etc., separation becomes more of an issue.

There's no easy answer, but I always found the longer the time off, the greater the wrench when it came to going back to sea. If I had more time off, I'm not at all convinced it would make me want to stay, in fact extra pay wouldn't cut it either.

Generally, as we progress through our careers we equally advance through the rates/ranks. As we do, we find the sea/shore ratio changes in our favour - not always, but often.

My thoughts are that much as we like the job and wish for it to continue, there comes a point when the needs of the job tip the balance with regard the desires of the individual.

Short of employing significantly more individuals to cover increased leave absences, the solution is probably not the one we want to hear.
 

Sumo

War Hero
My ratio ended up being about 50%- 50% including training, my sea time did see me away most of the time, but I knew of some who spent a lot more time on shore drafts, it always tended to be branch specific and rank, e.g. some billets not required so many at sea. Engineering officers always spent most of their careers shore side. You choose your branch, rating or officer and take your chance as the Navy's dynamics are always changing

As I have been a civy since 1998, what is happening within service will have changed, it always did. I have met many that thought the navy life turned crap, as Ninja said, the individuals home life changed not the job, many left for the greener grass, most regretted leaving, but were still in the relationship and going back would give similar issues. Ninja has said in other posts that he see a number of returners that regretted leaving, and rejoin, some threads on here have Pongo's choosing to join the navy, some with many years behind them, as Ninja said there is no essay answers, the one thing that seems to have changed is the lack of old style MQ's some of the youngsters appear to be scattered in private rentals, rented by the pusser, the wife's used to help each other out?
 
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WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
6 weeks paid leave plus sea going leave etc etc. When I left my last boat I had 5 weeks off due to leave accrued, I don't think extra leave is the answer but, there again, I don't have the answer, if I did I wouldn't be in the job I'm in now but I think lack of shore billets doesn't help with everything being civilianised.

When I joined up, civvy workers in establishments were a rarity, now it's the norm.
 

babygravy

Lantern Swinger
The modern matelot does have different requirements to the salty old bastards of yesteryear. There is the Facebook generation that struggles to cope without an internet connection for a couple of days.

However, the job has changed as well. Rushed through multiple PJTs onto busy operational units, with little to no manpower on lean manned ships, jumping from billet to billet to plug gaps.

Basically running at 110%, and we ain't even at war (yet)
 
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