Best role in RNR?

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  1. What do people think the best current role is in the RNR for a new entry? And why?
     
  2. Surely it all depends on the individual concerned - after all not everyone joins the Navy to dress in green and shoot small arms. Not everyone joins for the change to mobilise to Dubai and train in Gibraltar. Not everyone joins the Navy to get a Minibus licence and count blankets.

    Plus of course it depends on the people in your unit, if you're facing a 6+ hour each way journey with the same people who you can't stand then a particular specialisation might rapidly pale.

    Personally I think it is a strength of the RNR that choosing a specialisation is something you do at the end of New Entry.
     
  3. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    Based on retention rates before ad after completion of training, i am not being flippant in saying New Entry / Junior Officer training is the best role!
     
  4. BLT cant beat it ! :)
     
  5. PT, you are right, you are not flippant, neither are you accurate. The high exit figures just after completing phase 1 training are a thing of the past. And even when they were high, they weren't high in all units. :)
     
  6. Can you have a quick word with Defence Statistics then please? They are reporting to Parliament that outflow from the MR is increasing, rather than decreasing.

    Table 13 [1] suggests that outflow has gone from 250 - 350 in the untrained strength (end 2014 to end 2015), and from 180 to 220 in the trained strength (same dates).

    So, perhaps they're not leaving post-Phase 1, they're leaving before hand?

    The MR has grown, but primarily due to the increase in recruiting ex-Regulars (in line with the revised 'Command' intent), rather than from ab-initio recruits (Table 9b in the Ref refers, same time period as outflow referenced above). Indeed, ab-initio were under the FR20 target, with trained re-entrants massively over strength.

    The combination of the two points above infers that there remains a problem in retaining ab-initio recruits, and they are leaving both prior to entering the trained strength, and afterwards.

    But I'm sure you'll come back with an ad hominem.


    [1] - https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/uk-armed-forces-quarterly-personnel-report-2015 Apr 15
     
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  7. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    The useful stat that i always used to be reminded of was the very consistent 50% retention rate after five years. In other words given length of training these days, a very substantial chunk of new recruits never actually contributed operationally to the RNR.

    Its not the rnr who face this problem in isolation, but it is a big challenge. Yes some numbers come in, but the rnr seems to be unable to persuade them to stay. Maybe the moment it becomes a hob not a fun hobby and the phase 1 fun goes. Its harder to keep people motivated?

    A second thought is that on arrival in branch, mew emtry have just broken up a close group of mates from several years training who are unlikely to work together again. There needs to be more work done on keeping people with mates and motivating them to stay, not splitting them up
     
  8. ATG
    the only snag with your figures is that they will include the outflow of PRs. This was always going to increase, as they are taken in at risk. Before, they wouldn't have been included in the figures. This was anticipated, and the grown ups are happy with current out flow figures - granted they could always be better, but they could, and indeed, have been, a lot worse.
    The overall strength of the RNR is increasing in line with predictions, and whilst the transfer across from regulars is assisting, the "pure" recruitment off the street is far more encouraging than the other 2 services.

    PT
    Again, different ships, different cap tallies, but I'm not seeing an outflow in, or around, or before he 5 year mark!

    Clearly my rose-tinted glasses are seeing different figures! (or able to interpret information from data?)
    :)
     
  9. PT that is one reason they are rejigging the training pipeline to get ABs onto the trained strength after 18 months. They won't be bringing any specialisation specific training but they will be at a point where a mobilisation can provide necessary training e.g. Op Olympic.

    After all the regulars have a pretty high outflow rate at around the 5 year mark as well. Certain life events which intervene have a habit of cropping up after all.

    That said there is an issue with what training people attend the unit to achieve, and that is one issue where the post INT malaise can happen. Going from a highly structured environment into "sport, drill, a fairly dull lecture and 'oops we forgot to plan much, get on JPA'" will cause people to fall out of the unit which is supposed to be the retention mechanism.
     
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  10. CIS then?
     
  11. I was chatting to a New Entry/INT last week and they said the same thing....

    It is the lack of planed training that kills morale, and gets people into the habbit of not attending.
     
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