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Berets with No3's

Ratrat said:
Jones265R said:
I do, however, agree that nothing looks worse than a matelot wearing a beret which resembles the flight-deck of a carrier.



Im sure you'll all agree that it has to be said, Senior Rates are especially guilty of this heinous crime.

Does it come down to the lack of individuality and that thing called "Personal Pride"?

Harping back to the "Good Old Days" - a matelot went the extra yard to look smart - whether it was the "tiddly bow on his cap tally or the "bow-wave" on his cap etc, perhaps not strictly regulation but still an indication of pride in how he looked.
Has this been drummed out of the sailor/sailoress of the modern navy?

I'll take this as a bite, seriouslly though why do we always get this tone about todays navy, why do people always criticise and knock the people who have served in recent years I certainly didn't lack personal pride and I still don't. The people I worked with were professional they worked hard and played hard, and I'd like to thnk we did our bit. We all voluntered to serve and surely that says somthing about our moral fibre and personal pride. Its sad that the older generation dont respect us like we respect them :( .
 
So, errr, would it still be OK to wear my woolly hat with my P-Jacket, SM Jumper, jeans and wellies while on the Casing at Hbr Stns? It was fine in the 70s!
 
Jones265R said:
Ratrat said:
Jones265R said:
I do, however, agree that nothing looks worse than a matelot wearing a beret which resembles the flight-deck of a carrier.



Im sure you'll all agree that it has to be said, Senior Rates are especially guilty of this heinous crime.

Does it come down to the lack of individuality and that thing called "Personal Pride"?

Harping back to the "Good Old Days" - a matelot went the extra yard to look smart - whether it was the "tiddly bow on his cap tally or the "bow-wave" on his cap etc, perhaps not strictly regulation but still an indication of pride in how he looked.
Has this been drummed out of the sailor/sailoress of the modern navy?

I'll take this as a bite, seriouslly though why do we always get this tone about todays navy, why do people always criticise and knock the people who have served in recent years I certainly didn't lack personal pride and I still don't. The people I worked with were professional they worked hard and played hard, and I'd like to thnk we did our bit. We all voluntered to serve and surely that says somthing about our moral fibre and personal pride. Its sad that the older generation dont respect us like we respect them :( .

It was not intented as a criticism or a knock at the professionalism of the modern navy (I only left just over 4 years ago!) more it was an observation. Jack has always had a knack of adapting his uniform to add a little panache to the way he wore it and the previous submissions give the impression that this is no longer the case. Senior Rates always led by example.
 
Jones265R said:
I'll take this as a bite, seriouslly though why do we always get this tone about todays navy, why do people always criticise and knock the people who have served in recent years I certainly didn't lack personal pride and I still don't. The people I worked with were professional they worked hard and played hard, and I'd like to thnk we did our bit. We all voluntered to serve and surely that says somthing about our moral fibre and personal pride. Its sad that the older generation dont respect us like we respect them :( .

Chill! Although I do have a gripe with the oval cap - how COULD you??? - most of the current uniform is a lot better than ours. Even before I left Ganges, our class had a mottley collection of all shades of No8s, with shirts ranging from sky blue to sea-green and trousers from navy blue, through light grey to off-white! In later years I acquired an "Atlantic Collar" - now that WAS the Canine's Textiles!
 
Geoff_Wessex said:
Jones265R said:
I'll take this as a bite, seriouslly though why do we always get this tone about todays navy, why do people always criticise and knock the people who have served in recent years I certainly didn't lack personal pride and I still don't. The people I worked with were professional they worked hard and played hard, and I'd like to thnk we did our bit. We all voluntered to serve and surely that says somthing about our moral fibre and personal pride. Its sad that the older generation dont respect us like we respect them :( .

Chill! Although I do have a gripe with the oval cap - how COULD you??? - most of the current uniform is a lot better than ours. Even before I left Ganges, our class had a mottley collection of all shades of No8s, with shirts ranging from sky blue to sea-green and trousers from navy blue, through light grey to off-white! In later years I acquired an "Atlantic Collar" - now that WAS the Canine's Textiles!

GW its the nail on the head - this is what I was referring to - individuality and panache
 
Ratrat said:
GW its the nail on the head - this is what I was referring to - individuality and panache
Talking of No8 shirts, we did a little trip East of Malta on the Cachalot in 1975. The Skipper had decided that we would actually wear uniform at sea for this one, (you understand why) so we all dug out our No8 shirts and trousers. Having been on Polaris before seeing the light and getting myself onto a real submarine, I'd got myself a couple of sets of the nice polyester ones - advantage: it washed well, didn't need much ironing and stayed just about the same colour for longer; disadvantage - it melted on you when burnt.

Anyway, fully kitted out, I had one shirt on for 3 weeks and the other one on for 4 weeks - very smart (not sure about the trousers, which were held together with masking tape anyway). Sailing from Gib, we remained dived once past Malta (i.e. over 4 weeks) and, being July/August, perhaps the shirt did hum a bit.

However, back at Gib, we parked up in front of HMS London, carrying some FOF or other, and I needed to get some TP rolls. Finding a beret - and it fitted well, none of yer carrier flight deck thing - I wandered over to this enormous gangway of the London. I'd only got halfway up when I noticed a flurry of activity on the other end (well I didn't know they had 'Officers Gangways') and somebody started shouting stuff at me.
"I've only come to RAS some TP rolls and a cup of tea" says I. This appeared to settle them a bit, or at least it kept them quiet, except for a Lieutenant who demanded to know who I was and why I made 'his' gangway and ship untidy. "You're a disgrace! Where's your Senior Rate?"
"Oh he looks even worse", says I (well he did - he only had one shirt, I had two!).

Anyway, they escorted me off the upper deck and below very quickly, down to the MCO, where the skimmer ROs (OMCs now, I think) stood and stared for a while and then gave me a box of TP rolls and took me back up top, only to a different gangway (no tea, I might add).

Anyway, as I was luxuriating at the Caleta Palace later that night (teehee) I had to see the funny side of it. I'd also washed my hair and, for a couple of days, I was the only honky in Gib with an Afro!
 
My apologies gentleman, your quite right I bit too hard as always Geoff has managed to apply just the right amount of humour and common sense.
My comment about senior rates was intended as a (not very good) joke. I think though that the modern uniform leaves you with less opportunity to individualise although I always wore my personalised pussers dirk on my eights, and wore my cap at a rakish angle and in context with this thread my berret was as smart as any booties.
 
Jenny_Dabber said:
Brig, think your gonna regret owning up to being FOST!!!!

Now where did I put those eggs????

Joking

Only for a few more weeks and then I shall be a civvy working at Collingwood. Days to do are getting few. :lol:
 
Brigham600 wrote
I'm a FOSTIE and wear a Beret with my No3's

and me and my beret are here to help you.

A very old and bold Chief told me that if he wanted to wear a beret he would have been a Bootie. In the early 1990s he still wore the peaked cap he was issued with as an apprentice in 1950 (ish) and refused to do the beret thing. No-one had been in long enough to tell him otherwise.

Berets are not naval. Baseballcaps are for chavs, the USN and baseball players.
 
Seadog said:
Brigham600 wrote
I'm a FOSTIE and wear a Beret with my No3's

and me and my beret are here to help you.

A very old and bold Chief told me that if he wanted to wear a beret he would have been a Bootie. In the early 1990s he still wore the peaked cap he was issued with as an apprentice in 1950 (ish) and refused to do the beret thing. No-one had been in long enough to tell him otherwise.

Berets are not naval. Baseball caps are for chavs, the USN and baseball players.

My baseball cap remark was a little tongue in cheek but if I had to make a choice of berets or BB Caps for the RN then its no contest and berets would rapidly return to the Pongoes and Royals where they belong being consigned to the gash bin of history. How about we go back to straw hats they looked real cool for summer wear.

Always knew where to put my cap, it had "HEAD" written inside it in big letters.

Nutty

PS The only time I wore a beret in my service was in 1967, a French SAS one after we had given all our caps away in exchange for berets in Bayonne where the French SAS were our hosts. Great lads. We sailed with the casing party in berets and entered Portsmouth dressed the same. That got IR the Captain a bolloking from FOSM and FO Portsmouth or what ever he is called.
 
The beret was issued during my Submarine time --best thing ever for boats no getting the white hat filthy or watching you didn't sit on it .etc etc. You could stuff it in your pocket aswell .Ideal piece of headgear.


As for the new J/r's Hat it looks a bit daunting and uncomfortable.
Its round and so is the bit where you put your head. Bad news is most people have oval shaped heads. Hence the original Navy hat and the 'bow wave' you had to bend the hat so it didn't cut into your forehead when you wore it.

The Aussie Navy J/r's used to have the oval shaped hats -- looked a bit like a flat top !! Didn't have a bow wave either. At least it looked a bit better than todays RN pork pie.
 
Greenie said:
The Aussie Navy J/r's used to have the oval shaped hats -- looked a bit like a flat top !! Didn't have a bow wave either. At least it looked a bit better than todays RN pork pie.

I thought that was what the RN had now - oval shaped hats. Don't they?
 
Geoff_Wessex said:
Greenie said:
The Aussie Navy J/r's used to have the oval shaped hats -- looked a bit like a flat top !! Didn't have a bow wave either. At least it looked a bit better than todays RN pork pie.

I thought that was what the RN had now - oval shaped hats. Don't they?

No geoff they don't they are round and after a couple of hours of wearing one leave a great big red welt across the forehead.
 

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