Benefit scrounging how to resolve it

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  1. Just so we can have a light hearted fun approach to the question asked in Current affairs. please remember this is Diamond Lills so almost anything goes. Serious sugestions in current affairs please
  2. All poor people to be contracted to reality shows. You don't get out until you have a job.
  3. sgtpepperband

    sgtpepperband War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    All school leavers without qualifications join the Armed Forces, do 22 years and leave with skills and a decent pension!
  4. Surely that's a good serious suggestion?
  5. Force them all to work in an Indian call centre...............or McDonalds!!
  6. Make them live on a diet of raw jalapeno chilli peppers... :twisted:
  7. Can we find an island somewhere aand transport them all. I seem to remember it been done some years ago. Seems that the people who were transported got their sh!t together and eventually made a country to be proud of, I believe its name is Australia
  8. sgtpepperband

    sgtpepperband War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    Yeah, but I don't think they got a such raw deal - nice scenery; beaches; BBQs; fit women... would you wanna come back to Blighty after 20 years penal servitude?!
  9. Close all benefits offices, get rid of the Social Services department (and all of the staff) along with a few of the 'Bliar crony' quango departments and induct them all into the Armed Services.

    I hereby volunteer to carry a rope's end to ensure they toe the line during their induction before being re-employed in the hotspots (less overseas pay of course! ) - all of this this should also please the Treasury for saving money!

  10. FlagWagger

    FlagWagger Book Reviewer

    1. Compulsory purchase of the Isle of Wight,
    2. establish accommodation for all members of society who have failed over a 12 month period to obtain gainful employment;
    3. compulsory sterilisation for all adults of child producing age after 12 months of occupancy,
    4. establish farms and industry adjacent to accommodation camps;
    5. Issue common uniform to all residents to ensure removal of burberry stigma;
    6. co-opt inmates to act as internal security within the camps;
    7. zero tolerance approach to discipline enforcement;
    8. reduction in calorific value of rations supplied to prisoners unable to work;
    9. relocate Porton Down to Isle of Wight to permit guinea pigs to be used for experiments;
    10. on-site crematoria (see point 7,8 & 9);
    11. seizure and recycling of prisoners' assets on arrival at camp;
    12. as prison population reduces (see points 7,8 & 9) remove all undesirable elments from mainland Britain to supplement camp labour force.

    Und zere ve haff der final solution und der master race can live in peace!!!!

    Hmmm, I seem to think that this has been tried before!
  11. sgtpepperband

    sgtpepperband War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    I detect a theme here:

    The only official definition of Fascism comes from Benito Mussolini, the founder of fascism, in which he outlines three principles of a fascist philosophy.
    1."Everything in the state". The Government is supreme and the country is all-encompasing, and all within it must conform to the ruling body, often a dictator.
    2."Nothing outside the state". The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government.
    3."Nothing against the state". Any type of questioning the government is not to be tolerated. If you do not see things our way, you are wrong. If you do not agree with the government, you cannot be allowed to live and taint the minds of the rest of the good citizens.
    The use of militarism was implied only as a means to accomplish one of the three above principles, mainly to keep the people and rest of the world in line. Fascist countries are known for their harmony and lack of internal strife. There are no conflicting parties or elections in fascist countries.

    Nazi Germany was extreme Fascism, better examples of fascist countries were Mussolini's Italy, Iraq, Iran, and many middle eastern countries.

    Following are the exact words (translated) as written by Mussolini for the Italian Encyclopedia in 1932:

    Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism -- born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have courage to meet it. All other trials are substitutes, which never really put men into the position where they have to make the great decision -- the alternative of life or death....

    ...The Fascist accepts life and loves it, knowing nothing of and despising suicide: he rather conceives of life as duty and struggle and conquest, but above all for others -- those who are at hand and those who are far distant, contemporaries, and those who will come after...

    ...Fascism is the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society....

    After Socialism, Fascism combats the whole complex system of democratic ideology, and repudiates it, whether in its theoretical premises or in its practical application. Fascism denies that the majority, by the simple fact that it is a majority, can direct human society; it denies that numbers alone can govern by means of a periodical consultation, and it affirms the immutable, beneficial, and fruitful inequality of mankind, which can never be permanently leveled through the mere operation of a mechanical process such as universal suffrage....

    ...Fascism denies, in democracy, the absurd conventional untruth of political equality dressed out in the garb of collective irresponsibility, and the myth of "happiness" and indefinite progress....

    ...iven that the nineteenth century was the century of Socialism, of Liberalism, and of Democracy, it does not necessarily follow that the twentieth century must also be a century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy: political doctrines pass, but humanity remains, and it may rather be expected that this will be a century of authority...a century of Fascism. For if the nineteenth century was a century of individualism it may be expected that this will be the century of collectivism and hence the century of the State....

    The foundation of Fascism is the conception of the State, its character, its duty, and its aim. Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State. The conception of the Liberal State is not that of a directing force, guiding the play and development, both material and spiritual, of a collective body, but merely a force limited to the function of recording results: on the other hand, the Fascist State is itself conscious and has itself a will and a personality -- thus it may be called the "ethic" State....

    ...The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone....

    ...For Fascism, the growth of empire, that is to say the expansion of the nation, is an essential manifestation of vitality, and its opposite a sign of decadence. Peoples which are rising, or rising again after a period of decadence, are always imperialist; and renunciation is a sign of decay and of death. Fascism is the doctrine best adapted to represent the tendencies and the aspirations of a people, like the people of Italy, who are rising again after many centuries of abasement and foreign servitude. But empire demands discipline, the coordination of all forces and a deeply felt sense of duty and sacrifice: this fact explains many aspects of the practical working of the regime, the character of many forces in the State, and the necessarily severe measures which must be taken against those who would oppose this spontaneous and inevitable movement of Italy in the twentieth century, and would oppose it by recalling the outworn ideology of the nineteenth century - repudiated wheresoever there has been the courage to undertake great experiments of social and political transformation; for never before has the nation stood more in need of authority, of direction and order. If every age has its own characteristic doctrine, there are a thousand signs which point to Fascism as the characteristic doctrine of our time. For if a doctrine must be a living thing, this is proved by the fact that Fascism has created a living faith; and that this faith is very powerful in the minds of men is demonstrated by those who have suffered and died for it.
  12. There is a difference between people who choose not to work and remain on benefits and those who find themselves out of work and have great difficulty getting a job.

    The first lot - well anything goes really including mandatory sterilisation so they can't pump out any more kids and compulsory public service such as clearing up after the chav scum they have already pumped out.

    Second lot (includes me), provide more opportunities for retraining etc. I would like to go into locksmithing, nice trade, plenty of work about etc. However any courses are anything from £500-£1500 and i don't have the money for that.

    Also, the old fallbacks like security, well you need a licence which costs about £190 alone. Unless you find a large company willing to put you through the 4 day course and fund the licence you are stuffed. A lot of the smaller companies are not training accredited for the full SIA licence so they will only take guards who already have it.
    Had this discussion once down the dole office, "ok you are paying me 57 quid a week to do nothing except sign on, why not front the £300 for licence and training and I can be employed within 2 weeks of getting it then you can do a mandatory deduction to recover the money" Answer was, "no we dont do that any more, we did last year" etc etc. Considering the experience I had in the pre licence days in contract security before moving into an in-house (no licence needed) I would have had no problem getting a job. Bit of a catch 22. Additionally, after working for about a year I could then save up to do the training i wanted and then do my own thing.

    phew! sorry if that dragged on, but when you work for 12 years without a single break in employment, hit a hard spot, then get treated like s**t in the jobcentre it kind of sticks in your throat.

    stab (awaiting flak)
  13. FlagWagger

    FlagWagger Book Reviewer

    None from here - you have my sympathy mate; been there, done that, got the stress (my kids still associate the term "Job Centre" with Clueless Numpties)!

    In my view the Job Centre does not support people getting back to work, it simply serves to perpetuate the underclass that has developed as a result of our byzantine tax and benefits system.
  14. Flagwagger thanks mate, methinks "Clueless Numpties" is too polite a term for some of them.

    Heres another thing, after about 3-4 months they send you on a 3 day course teaching you how to apply for a job (DOH). It costs about £200 per person (just what I heard) and even the trainers (private sector) tell you that the Govt doesnt give a s**t what you do as long as you sign off.

    Great motivation, and it never occurs to them that if someone take a job due to that pressure and then don't make the grade, get hoofed out, guess what that person will do then....sign back on again.
  15. Been there done that and got the T shirt. During my time I have had two spells of unemployment. First time I received the minimum job seekers allowance. Second time had to sign on at an office 6 miles away. My benefits consisted of my stamp being paid and any interview expenses I incurred were paid. No job seekers allowance as I had two pensions which totalled about £10K, and had savings. When I reached 60 the need to sign on was removed and I am still on benefits, yes I am a scrounger, all you working people are contributing to my Insurance stamp which is the only benefit I receive. Sorry but you will have to support me until I am 65 and get my old age pension.
    Unfortunately people who want to work are treated like sh!t at job centres and not given much encouragement or help.
    The ones who seem to do best are the long term scroungers who seem to know all the angles and exactly what they can screw out of the system.
    What p!sses me off is that I am taxed on my £10K. How is it that there are those who's total benefits exceed this amount and have never worked and have no intention of working?
    Sod it I have decided that I am now retired, I have no mortgage, enough in the bank to last me till I'm 65 and do not intend paying any more tax than is absolutely necessary to support chavs
  16. I was waiting for the wife to finish her shopping at the local bank, which is next door to the local "Joke Centre". As it was pissing down I went inside for a quick shuffty. It's all computerised now, not like in the old days where you took a scrap of paper, a bookies pencil, wrote down the ident number of a job and approached the desk. After a few minutes faffing about a young girl, eighteen/nineteen approached me and asked if I needed any help. No I replied I am just having a look. She then asked if I was in full time employment to which I answered Yes. Then you will have to leave. What the feck is that all about. :twisted:

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