Becoming a Medical Officer - how? What? Which?

Brancott

Newbie
I have some questions about becoming a Medical Officer in the Royal Navy.

1. Can one apply to the Navy to be a Medical Officer without first having a degree; and without first being a doctor? What are the training pre-requisites?

2. I found the age requirements information at the main Royal Navy site confusing when it came to the Medical Offcier job.

Royal Navy

When the information on the Navy job site says the age requirement is 17-54, what does that mean? Can someone say aged 38 apply?

Does it imply that, being 17, one does not need to show they are actually studying a medical degree?

Thank you for your help!
 
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Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
I have some questions about becoming a Medical Officer in the Royal Navy.

1. Can one apply to the Navy to be a Medical Officer without first having a degree; and without first being a doctor? What are the training pre-requisites?

2. I found the age requirements information at the main Royal Navy confusing when it came to the Medical Offcier job. When the information on the Navy job site says the age requirement is 17-54, what does that mean? Can someone say aged 38 apply?

Does it imply that, being 17, one does not need to show they are actually studying a medical degree?

Thank you for your help!
You may apply for sponsorship, if it's a first degree, after completing two years at med school. prior to that, you may apply for a 6th form scholarship from age 17 (£1.5K per year). However you cannot join the service as a Doctor until you have completed med school.

Trained Doctors may join up until age 54, so one aged 38 can join also.
 

vutterman

Midshipman
Hello everyone

I'm currently a 1st year medical student in London and I am hoping to join the Royal Navy in few years of time.

For now though, I'm trying to find things that I could do this summer that is related to the Royal Navy.

I thought about doing a work experience at the Institute of Naval Medicine but being a first year I somehow doubt this will happen

Can anyone have good idea that I should consider?

Oh by the way I missed the recruiting dates for the London URNU and I'm planning to join it next year... any tips?
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Hello everyone

I'm currently a 1st year medical student in London and I am hoping to join the Royal Navy in few years of time.

For now though, I'm trying to find things that I could do this summer that is related to the Royal Navy.

I thought about doing a work experience at the Institute of Naval Medicine but being a first year I somehow doubt this will happen

Can anyone have good idea that I should consider?

Oh by the way I missed the recruiting dates for the London URNU and I'm planning to join it next year... any tips?
It maybe worth asking London URNU if you may be considered for Honourary (unpaid) membership, or contact your AFCO to see if they can arrange an acquaint visit by the specialst medical recruiters, consider joining the RNR or get yourself along to next years freshers fair nice & early & have another crack at joining the URNU.
 

Brancott

Newbie
Thank you, Ninja_Stoker. So then, I take it, one must already be enrolled in a medical degree or be anticipating studying in a medical degree.

The terminology on the Navy Job site is a little obscure to me: "You must be under 46 if you require career professional training." What is "career professional training"?
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
You indeed need to have at least got yourself into med-school & it must be your first degree in order to qualify for a cadetship. If you already have a random degree, you are ineligible for sponsorship & must first qualify as a Doctor if that's what you wish to join as.

If you wish to join and be trained as a medical specialist in a specific field, then you need to join as a trained Doctor, no later than age 46. If you're already a specialist, you may join up to age 54.
 

vutterman

Midshipman
It maybe worth asking London URNU if you may be considered for Honourary (unpaid) membership, or contact your AFCO to see if they can arrange an acquaint visit by the specialst medical recruiters, consider joining the RNR or get yourself along to next years freshers fair nice & early & have another crack at joining the URNU.

Just wondering, what's the difference between normal URNU member and honourary member apart from being unpaid? (I didn't even know you get paid LOL)

I think I'll ask AFCO about the visit and can a first year uni student join the RNR?
 

Brancott

Newbie
Thank you so much for taking the time to explain these things. You have clarified a lot for me.

Do you know, Sir, would the Royal Navy consider an application from an Australian resident who is studying medicine?
Would such a med student need to show they have been selected into a medical degree at a British medical school?

Again, thank you. That is my last question.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
It depends on the unit with regard honourary membership. Certainly when I was Coxswain at Oxford URNU we had two or three honourary members on the books so they could fill a vacancy if someone opted to leave. Whether that is still permitted can only be determined by talking to your local URNU. An honourary member used to be an unpaid member, did not not get issued uniform & only attended drill nights rather than trips afloat.

A med student can join the RNR, but whether they can juggle the demands of med school & complete RNR training simultaneously is open to conjecture. Most join the RNR as a Rating, not an Officer.
 
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Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
...would the Royal Navy consider an application from an Australian resident who is studying medicine?
Would such a med student need to show they have been selected into a medical degree at a British medical school?
Commonwealth citizens, so far as I'm aware are equally eligible to apply to join as a Medical Officer, however the specialist Medical Recruiters are best placed to advise whether sponsorship is available for an overseas student. If it is available, you would need to prove you were in med school.
 

vutterman

Midshipman
It depends on the unit with regard honourary membership. Certainly when I was Coxswain at Oxford URNU we had two or three honourary members on the books so they could fill a vacancy if someone opted to leave. Whether that is still permitted can only be determined by talking to your local URNU. An honourary member used to be an unpaid member, did not not get issued uniform & only attended drill nights rather than trips afloat.

A med student can join the RNR, but whether they can juggle the demands of med school & complete RNR training simultaneously is open to conjecture. Most join the RNR as a Rating, not an Officer.
ah Ok. I hope the things are still the same with regards to URNU.
 
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Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
The URNU & RNR are similar only in that they are reservists by title.

URNU Officer Cadets are honorary in that they do not undergo AIB or any other element of regular selection beyond the Commanding Officers "interview", the medical standards for entry are less stringent, they are "List 7" which means they cannot be mobilised, there is no operational commitment, they are not supposedly intended for recruitment & tend to be viewed as a university society. How they escaped cutbacks in light of the SDSR beggars belief, but then the RAF still have the UAS & the Red Arrows which also beggars belief, so make hay whilst the sun shines. Then again, if I was at Uni, I'd heartily recommend them as they should not impinge on the primary reason for attending university.
 
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I would suggest that a very good reason for the URNUs to continue is to provide 14 drives to Senior Lt's. In an era where it is possible that an Officer might become CO of an FF/DD as his first Command, increasing these opportunities is not to be sniffed at!
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
At a cost of £5.3 million per year, in a Navy with a (generic) 1,110 Commanders, 250 Captains, 70 Commodores, 40 Admirals & 24 FF/DD I'm not convinced we need to generate 14 future FF/DD Commanding Officers annually whilst employing 700 undergraduates, of which an average of 28 per year join the service.

Then again, when 1 in every 3.9 Naval personnel are Commissioned Officers, my guess is the myth will persist.
 
£5.3 million is frankly nothing, and wouldn't even make a dent in "in-year" savings, let alone the re-structuring we are going through.

With more CPOs than Officers above the rank of Lt Cdr, and an equivalent of 204 CPOs per FF/DD*, I would suggest that reductions can be found through-out!

*For a long term force structure of 19 FF/DD and 3890 CPOs in the Naval Service (DASA - Build Your Own Table)
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Then again, it maybe worth comparing sea/shore ratios with regard CPOs in relation to Lt Cdrs upwards & numbers of each serving afloat in FF/DD.
 

Joe_Crow

War Hero
It may also be worth considering SSN/SSBN. Average figures, 25+ chiefs (and 7 WOIIs) versus 1XCdr + 4 LtCdr.
 
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