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BBC: "Submariners Punished For Drunken Misconduct"

..................A complete non-story with a lazy and misleading headline - 42 divided by 3 divided by 13, "do the math" as our American friends would say!
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War Hero
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Seems most people are against the reporting and the way the "facts" are presented looking at the comments. At least some members of the public have a grip on reality.

MG Maniac

War Hero
Hmm ... to quote from "Rowen & Martins Laugh In" (OK showing my age) .... "Very Interesting ... but Stupid"!

I presume that the correspondant is concerned with the fact that HM Sludgemariners are driving about in their nuclear powered sleek black messengers blitzed out of their heads with their fingers on "The Button"! In which case he really needs to get a life because if thats what he is scared of then it amounts to nothing more than scaremongering! I was under the impression that the Beeb was a bit more circumspect in their reporting but obviously it was a slow news day.

I wonder if they applied the same rationale to car drivers who get behind the wheel of a car wasted on booze / drugs and end up killing either themselves and/or some other misfortunate. I would hazard a guess that the incidents of pissed up car drivers vastly exceeds the numbers of Jack who get rat arsed onboard! The main difference is that if your oppo gets pissed on board then a) his mess mates look after him and b) he /she is not allowed to put himself or others of the Ships Co in any danger ... whereas you don't hear of many car drivers that get their keys taken off them and put to bed to sleep it off. Me thinks you are more in danger of being mown down at the bus stop by some numbnut who has just come out of a liquid board meeting and jumped straight behind the wheel than a Trident inadvertently falling out of the sky on your head because Jack was pissed on Board and somehow short circuited the system to fire one off!


War Hero
I think a reporter after a dinner time sesh then sitting behind his typewriter/computer is 100 times more dangerous than any submariner.

They must remember their own ditty, 'the pen is mightier than the sword'. How many lives have reporters fucked up in the name of a good story.

Hypocritical *******!


War Hero
Towards the end of the report the Hack admits that the stats should be viewed in the context of the operations of each boat.this after he has read a whole lot into them.We all know that if someone is trooped whilst being a member of a ship's company it does not necessarily follow they were on board at the time of the incident.
I can't be bothered to do the sums but expect if you totted up the members of all the ship's companies and divided them into the incidents over three years the percentage wound not be out of the ordinary compared with any similar number of servicemen elsewhere.
If only the BBC had been so curious about what was going on on their premises when alcoholic drink was on offer.


War Hero
Did someone actually identify what constitute 'drunken misconduct'?
Were these misdomeanors ashore onboard at sea alongside or what?
I still maintain a submarine should be dry at sea


War Hero
I have never gone to Harbour Stations on a boat whilst completely
wankered. I have gone to Harbour Stations feeling like a buffalo
recently took a shit in my mouth, with eyeballs that looked like
they'd been dipped in Ribena and a head like ******* Birkenhead.

And I was actually on the right submarine most of the time.Had a close
call with the Swiftpig once though. They all look the same in the dark.


War Hero
Helensburgh Advertiser

No problems' with drunken sailors

23 Feb 2013

There is no evidence of excessive drinking among navy submariners when they socialise in Helensburgh, according to a group which monitors trouble in the town's pubs.

The Pubwatch group made the statement in response to figures showing there were more than 300 disciplinary incidents in the past three years on the Royal Navy's 13 submarines - including 42 cases of misconduct or unfitness through alcohol or drugs.

The figures were obtained by the BBC in a Freedom of Information request.

A spokesman for Pubwatch said: "Certain issues arise from time to time, as we have with civilians, but in the main the navy personnel are well behaved. The Navy Police have a presence which acts as a deterrent."

HM Naval Base Clyde is currently home port for the Royal Navy's four Vanguard Class ballistic submarines which carry Trident nuclear missiles - HMS Vanguard, HMS Victorious, HMS Vengeance and HMS Vigilant - and two of the new conventionally armed Astute Class attack submarines, HMS Astute and Ambush.

Thirteen instances of misconduct or unfitness due to alcohol or drugs were reported on the four Trident submarines in the past three years. It also details eight drink or drug related incidents on HMS Astute - the submarine on which a junior rating shot dead an officer in April 2011 after binge drinking while on shore leave.

All eight cases occurred after this shooting. An inquest last month into the death of Lt Cdr Ian Molyneux focused attention on what was described as a culture of excessive drinking among the submarine's personnel.

The Royal Navy says it has tightened its rules on alcohol consumption before duty.

A spokesman told the Advertiser: "We take all disciplinary offences seriously.

"Although alcohol is available on board Royal Navy ships and submarines, its consumption is extremely limited and the RN's promotion of healthy living, coupled with the professionalism of modern sailors, means that fewer sailors drink at sea than ever before.

"This is particularly true of the submarine service due to the demands of operating the boat and the restrictions of working a continuous six-hour watch routine."

One source, who asked not to be named, told the Advertiser: "Navy personnel's behaviour in Helensburgh is a lot better now than it used to be.

"Occasionally, when there is a big exercise on and a lot of international navy people are in town it can get a bit of a concern, but generally now it's OK."

'No problems' with drunken sailors / Helensburgh Advertiser / News / This Week


War Hero
So the crabmariners are saying it's not us so blame it's those pesky skimmers
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Semper Viglo

Eh hello.......of course the Pub Landlords in Helensburgh are not going to criticise pissed up matelots! They are their main source of income, oh I, and the Landlord of the Royal either is or was an ex-crab mariner!
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