Awarding of the VC to Royal Marines

sweetpea

Lantern Swinger
#4
8-O Uhh, is this a wind up?

I'll answer anyway... If you're referring to the Victoria Cross then the the Royal Marines are not excluded from receiving the award.

SP.

Edited to say :posted same time as WreckerL (who I'm still stalking). :icon_smile:
 
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8-O Uhh, is this a wind up?

I'll answer anyway... If you're referring to the Victoria Cross then the the Royal Marines are not excluded from receiving the award.

SP.

Edited to say : posted same time as WreckerL (who I'm still stalking). :icon_smile:
That's given me a boost :)
 

Purple_twiglet

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#6
The Royal Marines qualify for a more exclusive Victoria Decoration as a result of their superior skills and fighting power. This is known as the VD, and many RM have qualified over the years.
 
#8
It has to be witnessed by an officer and what is considered VC type action, is no more than normal for a Royal Marine and therefore no RM's would be considered for a VC unless it was really exceptional.
 
#9
Oh sorry i was told by a sergeant that RM cant get them anymore and the highest they can get is the George Cross. Sorry if i have caused any offence, i think that the RM are the most elite force, i just didn't know the proper information :\
 
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Blackrat

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#10
Oh sorry i was told by a sergeant that RM cant get them anymore and the highest they can get is the George Cross. Sorry if i have caused any offence, i think that the RM are the most elite force, i just didn't know the proper information :\
You are joking right? I would think that the RM Sgt you spoke to is not an RM Sgt by the sounds of things. The GC is a civilian decoration in any event and this geezer sounds like either a walt or a wind up merchant.
 
#11
You are joking right? I would think that the RM Sgt you spoke to is not an RM Sgt by the sounds of things. The GC is a civilian decoration in any event and this geezer sounds like either a walt or a wind up merchant.
The VC is only awarded for supreme acts of gallantry in the presence of the enemy. In other circumstances, the GC is awarded.

Before you get duffed up by a host of military EOD personnel:
UK Government said:
George Cross

Criteria


...the GC is also awarded to military personnel for those acts for which military honours would not normally granted, such as acts of gallantry not in the presence of the enemy.

History

...The 3 most recent recipients of the George Cross have been Army personnel serving in Afghanistan and Iraq. One was awarded posthumously for gallantry displayed both before and after sustaining mortal injuries when entering a minefield in Afghanistan. The other 2 were awarded for service in Iraq, for gallantry displayed in a ‘friendly fire’ incident and for gallantry displayed after receiving severe injuries caused by an Improvised Explosive Device. All were hugely courageous acts, although not in actual presence of the enemy, and therefore were successfully considered for award of the GC.
 
#13
Matthew Croucher 4.jpg

Mathew Croucher RMR who won the GC in Afghanistan after throwing himself on a grenade to save his oppos.
As has already been said its awarded when not in the face of the enemy.
 

Blackrat

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#14
I stand corrected.

I fear i may have been confusing it with the QGM. Saying that, the Military can get that one as well. Mind you, i should have known better as Robert Nairac was awarded the GC. I consider myself suitably chastised.

In any event, this Sgt bloke is the one who needs the shoeing.
 
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George Cross recipients

King George VI instituted the George Cross on 24 September 1940 because the VC couldn't be awarded for supreme acts of gallantry performed when not in the presence of the enemy. The website linked below, maintained by a fellow miltary history-loving acquaintance, may be of interest. Note the many awards of the GC to RN, RNR, RNVR and RANVR personnel for bomb & mine disposal thoughout the UK during the Blitz, partly because the Germans started employing parachute mines as blast bombs ("land mines") but mainly because there was a shortage of bomb disposal personnel throughout the services.
The first decoration awarded to naval personnel during the Second World War was the DSO presented by the King to Lt Cdr (later Cdr) John Ouvry RN on the parade ground at HMS Vernon on 19 December 1939. Ouvry was the first to render safe a German magnetic ground mine, then devastating shipping around the UK, and thus enabled the development of appropriate self-protective measures and mine countermeasures. Apocryphally, he was later given the option of exchanging it for the newly-instituted GC but chose to keep his original award.

Presentation_of_awards_by_George_VI_Dec_39_small.jpg
 
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