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  1. With all the problems being endured by the navy,spending, retention etc, Ive heard a rumour that HMS Asute has suffered a bit of a fupar namely that a bit of (LARGE) kit has been welded directly to the deck without being on the raft, this has caused a major headache for VSEL as it means either cutting the boat in half or cutting large access holes in the side of the pressure hull therefore reducing the vessels deep diving capacity, not to mention the cost.
    Can anybody shed any light on this dit.
  2. Where did you get this news from?
  3. sgtpepperband

    sgtpepperband War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    He says it's a buzz, so hardly likely to reveal - or substantiate - where the story came from...
  4. Has that horrible ring of truth about it…
  5. Firstly apologies for posting in the wrong forum.

    This information was passed by someone working on the Astute programme. It now looks like Ambush could be the First one out. When that will be, who knows as the programme has been moved right a considerable amount of time
  6. Maybe its a Normangramme?
  7. witsend

    witsend War Hero Book Reviewer

    Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:12 am Post subject: Re: B.A.E. & the Astute Class S/M


    Barrow's Role in the Astute Programme

    Barrow shipyard is the home of the UK's only Submarine Centre of Excellence. It currently employs around 3,450 people.A fully modular build system is being adopted in the build of the first three boats HMS Astute, HMS Ambush and HMS Artful by Prime Contractor BAE SYSTEMS . The Submarines have a cost of £3,492 million* By comparison American Virginia class submarines cost over $2.4 billion each.

    Reading the site i had a cuckle and the "submarine centre of excellence". I'm under the impression that a dodgy bit of wiring caused a major problem and that electric run down pumps are maybe not a good idea. Does a TG rotor fit through a hatch? Anyway i'm only spinning a second hand dit, can anyone back it up?
  8. I think the 'centre of excellence' is going to need one of these…


  9. Standby for another contract re-negotiation between Sir Humphrey and Big and Expensive.

    Astute-Class Subs

    The Astute program timetable revision means a delay of about 3.5 years before the first boat enters service by 2009, 12 years after the contract was originally signed by GEC Marconi. BAE acquired GEC Marconi in 1999.
    BAE even called in General Dynamics’ Electric Boat division, Groton, Conn., in 2003 to help the Astute design team at Barrow in northern England resolve problems in changing over to a computer-aided design system.

    Availability of trained staff in the United Kingdom was an issue for BAE, as chairman Sir Dick Evans told the Parliamentary Defence Select Committee May 5.

    The erosion of defense industry capability is a major concern for industry.
    Evans told the committee that the Astute was a victim of this trend, as the MoD closure of the Royal Naval Architects Office meant Britain lost the “only people who had ever designed and passed into production a nuclear submarine.â€

    Now, BAE’s remedial work — which recently included a substantial reorganizing of the yard to focus solely on submarine work — appears to be paying dividends. The revised timetable for Astute agreed with the government remains intact, with the contractor estimating delivery of the first submarine in August 2009.

    The second of three Astutes ordered is now under construction and the company said in a statement June 21 that “the third of seven key milestones set in agreement with the customer as part of the renegotiated contract has been completed nine days ahead of schedule.â€

    But while the technical issues are being addressed BAE still faces commercial uncertainties at its submarine yard.

    The government is reviewing the total number of Astute submarines it will buy, according to industry analysts.

    In addition, BAE earlier this year said it is considering whether to sell all or part of its naval shipyards business, including the Barrow submarine yard.

  10. And this after HMG nixed the sale of the boat division to Electric Boat in 2004…

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