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Army Commandos

A question for floppy jocky. Firstly i would like to say thanks for bringing this topic up for debate. I find the feedback intresting from the responses but am intrested why you think this is, quote" Elitism at its worst".

I would expect any regiment or unit to have an identical response on this topic and historically it has. I don't brand myself with the elitism title but the general public are precieved by this.

People vote in the masses. They support and title organisations to make them comfortable in their day to day living. "Elitism at its worst" i think not but "Caution at its greatest".

Regards my friend

Cdox
 
CDOX wrote; "[No matter what fancy method they will be trained and bolted onto 3 CDO BGD there will always be THEM and US ( the latter RM). What ever level you want to comment on this remember the under lined highlighted quote.

Send them up too FPGRM in Scotand which will enable RM who have been trained through CTCRM and wear the coverted Green with no Skeletons in the locker to be intergrated within 3 CDO BGD where they belong.[/quote]

Sorry CDOX but your talking Bollox, do the RM look upon 59, 29, 131, QDG, JCBRNR, etc as them and us. No because they have been accepted as proffesional organisations with a deserved place in the ORBAT. Yes it will take time to produce an AACC trained Bn, yes there will be some suspicious looks, yes there will be the unwillingnes on the part of some to accept them but as you said, a 4th manouevre unit can only be a good thing for the Bde. When was the last time the Bde was able to deploy with 3 full Units (I mean together rather than split as on TELIC 1) Its been a long time I believe and this extra CDO UNITrather than an Inf Bn could be a boon. Integration may not be that difficult if you remain open minded (ask the guys in Dover!).

IMD
 
Ref ''IN_MY_DAYS'' he is spot on . One of the things that so impressed my unit (QDG) on telic 1 was the acceptance of all ranks in the RM . We were use to paras with there''Hat'' crap yet the royals were a good bunch of blokes who gave us a bit of respect . Its a known fact that the average Royal Marine is a lot more switched on and more battlespace aware than your average para .So i am sure after the initial ''banter'' whatever army regiment is attached to the RM they will be made welcome
 
As I said previously. Similar discussions went on when the Brigade were about to receive designated artillery batteries and engineer squadrens. As will be seen, they are very much accepted as part of the Brigade. If there is any elitism, and I say IF, it is with the commando trained RA and RE people who view themselves differently from their other RA and RE counterparts.

I also mentioned that it was sometime in the 50s before all RM ranks were commando trained. I would not have wished to be the one to tell a non commando trained RM that he was inferior. In the days of the blue beret marine and the green beret marine, we were referred to as cabbage heads by our blue beret collegues. When one returned from commando service, and join a RM establishment, one had to remove their green berets and replace it with a Royal Marines beret.

This latest policy will have it's teething problems, but they will eventually be ironed out.

Andy O.
 
cdox said:
A question for floppy jocky. Firstly i would like to say thanks for bringing this topic up for debate. I find the feedback intresting from the responses but am intrested why you think this is, quote" Elitism at its worst".


Good question. It was purely a personal point of view, not about an organisation but based on some of the individual quotes in the article. When any RM/Army banter has died down I think you will find that most guys have a very healthy, and deserved respect for the Royal Marines, but from my point of view (and that's all it is) that same respect should be afforded to frontline infantry units that have been in and out of action on a very regular basis, doing some sterling work. Yes there are many differences, training and equipment is just two, but for individuals to dismiss the idea out of hand is slightly blinkered. I suppose a lot of my thinking stems from the fact I work in a completely joint environment and I am one of the "believers" that we can do more together.

I'm not sure I've really answered the question but having just driven 800 miles I'm hanging out. I may return to edit !
 
Now that a Crab has the top job, how long until we see the RAF Servicing Commandos being re-formed?
Seriously, what a lot of people seem to forget is that the bog-standard British infantry soldier is tougher and better trained(if not equipped)than 95% of the rest of the world's so-called "elite" units. But I suspect that this is the Government trying to get Marines "on the cheap", rather than simply expanding the RMC. Or, indeed, reforming the Army Commandos.
A bit like replacing real police officers with Tackleberries(PSO'S).
 
I vaguely recall on more than one occasion hearing about the Army's interest in absorbing the Royals into their fold. Since they haven't been able to do this so far the cynic in me suspects this is the first step in tackling the issue from another angle.
 
With Viking well and truely established and the training unit at Bovington surely there is a lot the Pongo's and Royal can teach each other?

After all aren't we rather new to this manoeuvre warfare and the flexibility Viking brings?
 
Hi, newby to the Rum Ration site here,

For my 2 penneth worth, my first reaction was "why on earth"?

But after reading some of the posts on here, it does seem feasable.

As long as the new cdo unit have all done the AACC, and passed it, they will be accepted. They will recieve a lot of stick at first, but a sense of humour is required to wear the green lid. Some may take longer than others to accept the new CDO unit.

i worked with the AACC course during training, and they didn't half get some stick during their training, and unfortunatley, i didnt get my green lid, but i have rarely heard anything said about those who are attached to the RM after pasing the AACC course.

The very reason for the AACC course is so that those who work closley with the RM is that they are trained to the same procedures, methods, and fitness as the RM.

I just hope that whoever gives the go ahead realises this, and dosent try to shoehorn them in the backdoor, by giving the the RM title without the training.

like i said, newby here and first post, so awaits incoming.

yours aye

jason

http://www.savedutchy.co.uk/
 
The 16 Air Assault Bde in Afghanistan, at the moment, has a Bde strength but only one Para Infantry unit.

3 Cdo Bde will also operate the same way with 42 Cdo being the infantry element of the Cdo Bde but a pongo infantry unit as an add on to do jobs more to the rear.

You can add as many infantry units to the Bde, fine, but they may not be up to the job of the harder tasks.i.e get you arse up that hill with all that kit on your back.

5 Bde down South were shite.

But I digress, you can be a Commando just pass the Commando Cse.

To put a whole Btn thru this course is now impossible, the sausage factory is not geared to meet this demand at such short notice.

Also having been on the All Arms Team it would take on average 10 Btn's worth of men to pass the course to fill the boots of one Btn.

The Corps attracts fitter guys who want to be infantry where most of the Army infantry is made up of guys who have not met standards to have an SQ.

The Corps has a reverse policy where ******'s get sent to SQ jobs.

Chris
 
Deeps said:
Not ''swinging the lamp'' too much lads but my sqn went on telic 1 with 3 CDO , we are Cavalry (QDG) and after two weeks of constant enemy contact the Brigadier(JIM D@@@@N ) gave us all the commando dagger for our combats . We didnt carry out AACC or anything but as a mark of respect it was nice to get that presented . As a full on pongo the best unit i have every worked with was the Royal marines . Non of your ''ego'' para crap , the royals looked upon us as equals and for that they get my upmost respect . cheers it was hoofing!

I understand this comment.

I trained many guys who had been para trained and alternated between para and Marines never wanting to go back to hat land as they put it.


They prefered working with the Corps as we did not have that crap hat fixation.

If you ain't Para Regt you can have a Red beret and wings but you are **** all to them.

Also I may add, that some of the posters on this site may have got near to a NAAFI queue as their only real service experience.


Chris
 
stripey588 said:
Hi, newby to the Rum Ration site here,

For my 2 penneth worth, my first reaction was "why on earth"?

But after reading some of the posts on here, it does seem feasable.

As long as the new cdo unit have all done the AACC, and passed it, they will be accepted. They will recieve a lot of stick at first, but a sense of humour is required to wear the green lid. Some may take longer than others to accept the new CDO unit.

i worked with the AACC course during training, and they didn't half get some stick during their training, and unfortunatley, i didnt get my green lid, but i have rarely heard anything said about those who are attached to the RM after pasing the AACC course.

The very reason for the AACC course is so that those who work closley with the RM is that they are trained to the same procedures, methods, and fitness as the RM.

I just hope that whoever gives the go ahead realises this, and dosent try to shoehorn them in the backdoor, by giving the the RM title without the training.

like i said, newby here and first post, so awaits incoming.

yours aye

jason

http://www.savedutchy.co.uk/

Spoken like a true civvy.

Chris
 
chris,

i never said i was serving, and i am indeed a civilian.

i wrapped at week 27.

and i preferred DUTCHYS to the NAAFI.

i did say it was my 2 penneth worth.

brainfarts seem to be my speciallity at the moment.

yours aye

jason

www.savedutchy.co.uk
 

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