Army abuse trial halted

huwshpis

War Hero
As they're supposed to be trained to the same standards as civvy police, one wonders how or why they fu**ed up so badly.:eek:
 

fishhead

War Hero
You need to ask after this whether the Army was very upset that the prosecution had fell through or very relieved that their reputation was not going to be dragged through the mud.
The accused will certainly be relieved that their Police were so slipshot in their investigation while the allegedly bullied recruits will have learned the lesson that complaining gets you nothing other than a reputation as pathetic whinger.
 

dapperdunn

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Its about time Service police were disbanded and all offences were investigated by actual police.
 

mainbrace

Lantern Swinger
As they're supposed to be trained to the same standards as civvy police, one wonders how or why they fu**ed up so badly.

Yep, they are supposed to be trained to the same standard, same principles, similar laws, etc. However, they don't have the same depth of experience - especially when it comes to investigating serious, complex and historic crime.
 

huwshpis

War Hero
As they're supposed to be trained to the same standards as civvy police, one wonders how or why they fu**ed up so badly.:eek:
Er, because they have - on ocassion - the same slack standards?
Possibly, but the civvy police are MUCH better at managing (deliberate?) fukcups with subtlety; if one can believe the report, the incompetence shown here was unbelievably crass and obvious. Perhaps senior RMP should go on the senior command course at the National Police College?


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SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
I wonder what will happen to the named and shamed alleged 'naughty' instructors. We wouldn't want them to be subject to any barrack room justice. Not these days. Oh no.
 

Seaweed

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Its about time Service police were disbanded and all offences were investigated by actual police.
IMHO all criminal acts perpetrated in the UK should be investigated by the civil police. However the Armed Forces do need their own police function when outside the jurisdiction of UK criminal law.

This particular business seems to be the fruit of employing boneheads, but mind you the ordinary plod have form for that.
 

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
Re Army abuse. I have just watched (it is on YouTube - search 'the accused') The Accused - Frankie's Story. It is a tragic story of Army bullying, very well written and acted. And a Red Cap gets filled in too!

Bottom line, guy gets bullied, shoots himself, buddy kills bully, buddy goes down.

To an extent, I can see why the initial bullying was done, but it went way over the top, then the CoC did a cover up (as if!)

As they might say, I commend this movie to the House.
 

dapperdunn

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Basically, yes. But there are probably quirks to that.
I guess that presents some logistical difficulties. If the offence takes place ashore, then it could be dealt with by the local police.
If onboard the the Ship's office/Executive staff could deal with it as if they are HR. Verbal warnings, written warnings etc. If serious then..... no idea really. A bit of a quandary.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
I guess that presents some logistical difficulties. If the offence takes place ashore, then it could be dealt with by the local police.
If onboard the the Ship's office/Executive staff could deal with it as if they are HR. Verbal warnings, written warnings etc. If serious then..... no idea really. A bit of a quandary.
I believe, if anything serious happens onboard then the ships reggies/cox'n initially deal with it whilst SIB get flown out/come onboard. really serious then gets handed over to Civ Pol.

@janner may have better info on this, being ex-plod. I'm just going on what happened on a boat I was on when an SR was found to have an unhealthy interest in children, with downloaded photographic evidence to prove it.
 

janner

MIA
Book Reviewer
My own experience is that Police were certainly used to give evidence at Captains Table in more serious matters that happened ashore but were being dealt with onboard. One such case at Portland resulted in the offender being dismissed the service. I've not been involved (as Plod) in onboard investigations and I would imagine that normally they would be dealt with within the service, I would say that if required Civil Police could be called on to investigate onboard stuff, but Military generally are reluctant to get them involved.
On a slightly different note, whilst at Weymouth it was my normal routine to hand service offenders over to the Shore Patrol, it saved on my manpower and offenders were still dealt with, a different Senior Officer took over the area and criticised my actions, I was told that the practise would cease. I left it for a couple of months then showed him the returns from the Provost showing how the offenders we'd previously handed over had been dealt with. Nothing was said but a couple of weeks later a memo came forth saying that where appropriate Service Offenders would be handed over to the Shore Patrol. At the time Drunk and Disorderly attracted a £5 fine from the Magistrates, Pussers going rate was around £20. My way meant manpower not being tied up, cells being kept free and all round less hassle.
One of us left school at 16, the other had been to University.
 
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