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Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders

RoofRat said:
Golden Rivit
I don't feel able to blame them.
Well there's a surprise. FL

Colin Michell will be spinning in his grave.

RoofRat


There's an old saying
Better to be tried by twelve men than be carried by six.

Don't agree with anyone taking drugs --and disagree even more with the way our lads are being sacrificed in sand pits.


:nemo: :nemo:
 

chieftiff

War Hero
Moderator
Greenie said:
RoofRat said:
Golden Rivit
I don't feel able to blame them.
Well there's a surprise. FL

Colin Michell will be spinning in his grave.

RoofRat


There's an old saying
Better to be tried by twelve men than be carried by six.

Don't agree with anyone taking drugs --and disagree even more with the way our lads are being sacrificed in sand pits.


:nemo: :nemo:

Not quite with you here Greenie, are you merely sitting on the fence, or are you saying that it is acceptable to commit one moral/ criminal offence in order to negate responsibility for the other?

Whether the tales that these young goons took drugs to avoid an operational tour or not are true, is in all honesty irrelevant. They signed on to serve their country (regardless of their or anyone else's political opinions) they were told that taking drugs is an offence within the Armed Forces.

The result is that they did something that they knew they shouldn't and cannot now do something that they should.

Their punishment is likely to be very minor if not merely an administrative discharge....... Scrotes! If they honestly felt that they were unable to go to war for whatever reason they could have spoken up and if necessary faced the full response of the military discipline system or received extra training, that would have taken some guts and I at least would have respected them for their moral courage. If these rumours are true then they are nothing but cowards, if they merely took drugs because they wanted to for social/ peer pressure reasons then they are just plain old morons. Either way they are scrotes, their offence is undefendable and we really do not need people of that calibre in the Armed Forces.
 

skimmer

Lantern Swinger
Re: Argylle and Sutherland Highlanders

Bergen said:
skimmer said:
Maxi_77 said:
Bergen said:
golden_rivet said:
I don't feel able to blame them. The ads for joining up are such a load of old bollocks that make it sound like an outward bound course. Mind you you'd have to be thick to believe the lying bastards who make them.

PM me if you want help to get on the underground railroad lads

:thumright:

Look on the bright side; perhaps now the British Army will stop arranging R&R in Cancun and ruining a good run ashore :thumright: . Several American friends who own property over there were not amused to spend several days of their vacation dodging drunken jocks who were vomiting and pissing in the streets.

RM

I think if I was going where those young lads where going I'd want a Fcukn great run before

You Jockroaches obviously have a different idea of fun to mine; blind-drunk and vomiting in the streets and taking Class A drugs in order to avoid your duty. Sooner we take England back and throw out our Scottish masters the better :thumright:

RM
You couldn't have built your' empire without us.Historically & proportionally we have contributed more to the military than England & have been doing for hundreds of years.Google Cameron Highlanders.As for being pissed & spewing in the street...... try a night out in Pompey or Guzz,any night, ask Sgtp.
 

chirp_single

Badgeman
a line that has been used many times in my past drafts with the pongos, "live bastards, dead soldiers!!!!!! my own opinion is that if you take the queens money every month then you do as you are f**kin well told. have some pride! But I can see the point if the storie is true. our troops should not be there. but seeing as we are do you not think that the yanks (god bless them) should be giving a little more support? After all we are only there as part of the special relationship that we have with them. And as anyone can tell you, when working with the yanks they have all the gear(maybe no idea). To go to war when told is part of the job, to risk your life on someones political wet dream is another. Maybe thats sitting on the fence a bit, but I honestly see why those pongos did what they did. My own opinion is that this story is bollocks, if you were dead set that you were not goin on a deployment then you would bang your CO out. Sounds to me like they had a good time, took drugs and are using this story as a scap goat.
 
Took drugs to get out of going to war? Yeah right, that blister on my heel was caused by my extra long penis rubbing my foot as I walk.
 

Bergen

ADC
Re: Argylle and Sutherland Highlanders

skimmer said:
Bergen said:
skimmer said:
Maxi_77 said:
Bergen said:
golden_rivet said:
I don't feel able to blame them. The ads for joining up are such a load of old bollocks that make it sound like an outward bound course. Mind you you'd have to be thick to believe the lying bastards who make them.

PM me if you want help to get on the underground railroad lads

:thumright:

Look on the bright side; perhaps now the British Army will nn stop arranging R&R in Cancun and ruining a good run ashore :thumright: . Several American friends who own property over there were not amused to spend several days of their vacation dodging drunken jocks who were vomiting and pissing in the streets.

RM

I think if I was going where those young lads where going I'd want a Fcukn great run before

You Jockroaches obviously have a different idea of fun to mine; blind-drunk and vomiting in the streets and taking Class A drugs in order to avoid your duty. Sooner we take England back and throw out our Scottish masters the better :thumright:

RM
You couldn't have built your' empire without us.Historically & proportionally we have contributed more to the military than England & have been doing for hundreds of years.Google Cameron Highlanders.As for being pissed & spewing in the street...... try a night out in Pompey or Guzz,any night, ask Sgtp.

We are not discussing Pompey or Guz; Cancun is an international tourist venue and the behaviour of these Scrotes reflects badly on the British forces in general and the British Army in particular. It's a long time since you Sweaty Socks contributed anything meaningful to the Union and with your gene-pool so contaminated it would be better for the English if you went your own way.

RM :thumright:
 

skimmer

Lantern Swinger
Re: Argylle and Sutherland Highlanders

Bergen said:
skimmer said:
Bergen said:
skimmer said:
Maxi_77 said:
Bergen said:
golden_rivet said:
I don't feel able to blame them. The ads for joining up are such a load of old bollocks that make it sound like an outward bound course. Mind you you'd have to be thick to believe the lying bastards who make them.

PM me if you want help to get on the underground railroad lads

:thumright:

Look on the bright side; perhaps now the British Army will nn stop arranging R&R in Cancun and ruining a good run ashore :thumright: . Several American friends who own property over there were not amused to spend several days of their vacation dodging drunken jocks who were vomiting and pissing in the streets.

RM

I think if I was going where those young lads where going I'd want a Fcukn great run before

You Jockroaches obviously have a different idea of fun to mine; blind-drunk and vomiting in the streets and taking Class A drugs in order to avoid your duty. Sooner we take England back and throw out our Scottish masters the better :thumright:

RM
You couldn't have built your' empire without us.Historically & proportionally we have contributed more to the military than England & have been doing for hundreds of years.Google Cameron Highlanders.As for being pissed & spewing in the street...... try a night out in Pompey or Guzz,any night, ask Sgtp.

We are not discussing Pompey or Guz; Cancun is an international tourist venue and the behaviour of these Scrotes reflects badly on the British forces in general and the British Army in particular. It's a long time since you Sweaty Socks contributed anything meaningful to the Union and with your gene-pool so contaminated it would be better for the English if you went your own way.

RM :thumright:
Our gene pool is contaminated! Of the half a million non euro immigrants (legal) to UK l,ast year how many do you think went to Scotland? I think you'll find most went to England,soon to be known as Englastan. British forces are already undermanned, with problems in retention,yes that's a great idea,lay off all the Scots. At least it'll stop our young folk being slaughtered for fuck all.
 

skimmer

Lantern Swinger
Looking back at your' first post where you duplicated the article from the newspaper. There is nothing there about drunken,spewing soldiers or any misbehaving.Instead of taking the word of some yanks who may or may not have seen one or two squaddies misbehaving and then running down a fine regiment perhaps you should have defended your' fellow servicemen & country men. Who says these indiviuals were Scottish,did they have it tattooed on their foreheads? You must know that the Scottish regiments have a fair amount of English in their ranks,I believe the Scots Guards have about 30% English.Was the article in the Scotish Daily Record? If so,that rag has about as much credibility as the Sun,Daily Sport, News of the world etc. I read seveal papers daily & haven't saw this reported anywhere in the papers I read.Personally,I think it's bollocks.
 
Before discharge, shouldn't druggies go straight to Colchester? That may make it look less attractive to the line dodgers.

No sympathy for the 2 Septics. Armed service is not a bloody adventure holiday where you can pick and choose which bits you do.

Squaddies do get pissed and do create trouble and can be a bloody embarrassment; but nobody has yet found the animal/human crossover switch yet. Cue Kipling and Tommy.
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
For the record, anyone found using drugs in the Armed Forces as a result of a disciplinary investigation will face prosecution, usually resulting in detention/dismissal, with a subsequent 'recorded offence' (i.e. annoated on the Police National Computer).

However if a positive result is obtained following a random Compulsory Drug Test (conducted by the independent Substance Abuse Team, totally separate from the Service Police organisation), then this is dealt wih administratively, and the testee will be discharged shore, with a loss of all benefits, but no criminal record. To be honest, this method is the most productive as a criminal investigation can take months to get to trial, and you can never guarantee a conviction.

As substance abuse in the Army is more common than the other Forces (especially in the Infantry regiments) they have to take a more pragmatic approach to the problem. If the Army investigated all allegations of substance abuse, there'd be no Army left! To be frank, the MOD gets what it pays for: if you want intelligent, sensible, skilled service personnel, they train them to join the RN/RM/RAF and some of the technical, specialist or Guard regiments. If you want patriotic cannon fodder to go off and kill the emeny without care or consideration of the consequences, you make them join the Infantry. Horses for courses, so to speak.

So the Army's attitude is slighty different to the other Services. As substance abuse is more common in society than we like to admit, it is inevitable that people who have used, or are using, drugs will join up. However as part of their indoctrination they are educated about the effects their abuse will have on themselves, their comrades and their ability to do the task they're paid to do. So a young lad, who recently joined the Army and finding it hard to shake off his 'social habits', will be rehabilitated to some degree, depending on the circumstances, and permitted to continue with his career, sometimes to some success. However if an older, more experienced soldier develops an abuse habit, he will be dealt with appropriately, as he will be expected to have known the Forces' policy on substance abuse.
 

Bergen

ADC
skimmer said:
Looking back at your' first post where you duplicated the article from the newspaper. There is nothing there about drunken,spewing soldiers or any misbehaving.Instead of taking the word of some yanks who may or may not have seen one or two squaddies misbehaving and then running down a fine regiment perhaps you should have defended your' fellow servicemen & country men. Who says these indiviuals were Scottish,did they have it tattooed on their foreheads? You must know that the Scottish regiments have a fair amount of English in their ranks,I believe the Scots Guards have about 30% English.Was the article in the Scotish Daily Record? If so,that rag has about as much credibility as the Sun,Daily Sport, News of the world etc. I read seveal papers daily & haven't saw this reported anywhere in the papers I read.Personally,I think it's bollocks.

For a start they are not my countrymen and having seen first hand the performance of this regiment I would not care to defend them as serving British soldiers either. You think that it's bollocks? You are obviously confusing me with someone who gives a rat's-ass for your opinion. Cancun is a quick flight from my home in Houston and I am there every few weeks for a long weekend. My American friends own an apartment there and we know the town and the area pretty well. It's not difficult to identify jocks and even Americans can identify the accent.

No one would have reported what was going on down there until such a large number of Argyll's tested positive for Class A drugs. I can only quote from one of your own newspapers here; the bolding is mine:-

17 Troops On Heroin And Cocaine Sacked
Janice Burns
The Daily Record
11/13/07



Exclusive Tests Nail Scots For Heroin And Cocaine

A SCOTS battalion was shamed as 17 soldiers tested positive for Class A drugs, including heroin and cocaine.

The disgraced troops from the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders have been told their Army careers are over.

All of the squaddies were caught after the whole 500-strong battalion were tested during a week-long break in the Mexican resort of Cancun.

Traces of drugs, said to include heroin, cocaine and ecstasy, were found in the positive samples.

It's the latest in a series of drugs scandals to hit the Army in recent years. More than 1100 soldiers have been kicked out for Class A drug abuse since January 2006.
The Argylls, the local battalion for the west of Scotland, are one of the most famous units in the Army.

They earned their nickname, The Thin Red Line, for their courage at the battle of Balaclava in the Crimea in 1854.

But the 17 shamed soldiers have put a major dent in their battalion's proud reputation.

An Army spokeswoman said last night: "We can confirm that 17 members of the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders provided positive samples.

"The drug-testing team turned up without advance notice and carried out the tests. Anybody in the premises that day got tested.

"Individuals found to be taking or supplying illegal substances are discharged f rommilitary service. They would have been told by their commanding officer that their careers are over.

"We just don't tolerate drugs in the Army. It is totally unacceptable.

"These 17 individuals represent a small minority. They have let down every single one of their colleagues and they don't deserve to be in the Army any more.

"It is extremely disappointing that despite the Army's rigorous anti-drug programme, some still choose to ignore it."

The Argylls, the 5th Battalion of the Royal Regiment of Scotland, were sent to Cancun for a break after a gruelling six-week exercise in the jungles of Belize.

The soldiers were tested two days before they returned to the UK. The positive results came back last Friday.

The father of one young squaddie caught up in the scandal said drug use was commonplace in the battalion. And he slammed the Army for simply sacking the soldiers instead of helping them with their drug problems.

The angry dad said: "My son tested positive for heroin.

He was marched into the CO's office and told his career was finished and he would be out before Christmas.

"He has brought shame on his regiment. But drugs are rife in the Army and the whole issue has to be tackled.

"My lad didn't know what drugs were until I sent him to that battalion. He was a clean-living boy who could not have spelled heroin, never mind taken it.

"I blame the Army for this disgraceful situation and for not nipping this in the bud. It is not enough just to kick these young guys out and dump them back on Civvy Street - the Army should be getting them some kind of rehabilitation.

"For these lads, their careers are over and they will have this black mark against their names for the rest of their lives.

"But it is the Army to blame and they must sit up and take responsibility for what is happening to their troops.

"The lads were on a training exercise in Belize for six weeks then allowed to run riot for a week in Cancun without proper controls.
"Drugs are everywhere and you're seen as a 'wuss' if you don't get involved. There is a lot of peer pressure.

"The Argylls are supposed to be going to Afghanistan in March.

God help them if most of them are smashed out of their skulls."

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The real question to be asked is how an infantry battalion could have officers and NCO's so detached from what was going on in their own unit that this amount of criminal activity could be occurring under their noses.



RM
 

NotmeChief

Banned
Re: Argylle and Sutherland Highlanders

skimmer said:
Bergen said:
skimmer said:
Bergen said:
skimmer said:
Maxi_77 said:
Bergen said:
golden_rivet said:
I don't feel able to blame them. The ads for joining up are such a load of old bollocks that make it sound like an outward bound course. Mind you you'd have to be thick to believe the lying bastards who make them.

PM me if you want help to get on the underground railroad lads

:thumright:

Look on the bright side; perhaps now the British Army will nn stop arranging R&R in Cancun and ruining a good run ashore :thumright: . Several American friends who own property over there were not amused to spend several days of their vacation dodging drunken jocks who were vomiting and pissing in the streets.

RM

I think if I was going where those young lads where going I'd want a Fcukn great run before

You Jockroaches obviously have a different idea of fun to mine; blind-drunk and vomiting in the streets and taking Class A drugs in order to avoid your duty. Sooner we take England back and throw out our Scottish masters the better :thumright:

RM
You couldn't have built your' empire without us.Historically & proportionally we have contributed more to the military than England & have been doing for hundreds of years.Google Cameron Highlanders.As for being pissed & spewing in the street...... try a night out in Pompey or Guzz,any night, ask Sgtp.

We are not discussing Pompey or Guz; Cancun is an international tourist venue and the behaviour of these Scrotes reflects badly on the British forces in general and the British Army in particular. It's a long time since you Sweaty Socks contributed anything meaningful to the Union and with your gene-pool so contaminated it would be better for the English if you went your own way.

RM :thumright:
Our gene pool is contaminated! Of the half a million non euro immigrants (legal) to UK l,ast year how many do you think went to Scotland? I think you'll find most went to England,soon to be known as Englastan. British forces are already undermanned, with problems in retention,yes that's a great idea,lay off all the Scots. At least it'll stop our young folk being slaughtered for fuck all.

Is this a competition to see how many quotes you can get in one post?
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Re: Argylle and Sutherland Highlanders

NotmeChief said:
skimmer said:
Bergen said:
skimmer said:
Bergen said:
skimmer said:
Maxi_77 said:
Bergen said:
golden_rivet said:
I don't feel able to blame them. The ads for joining up are such a load of old bollocks that make it sound like an outward bound course. Mind you you'd have to be thick to believe the lying bastards who make them.

PM me if you want help to get on the underground railroad lads

:thumright:

Look on the bright side; perhaps now the British Army will nn stop arranging R&R in Cancun and ruining a good run ashore :thumright: . Several American friends who own property over there were not amused to spend several days of their vacation dodging drunken jocks who were vomiting and pissing in the streets.

RM

I think if I was going where those young lads where going I'd want a Fcukn great run before

You Jockroaches obviously have a different idea of fun to mine; blind-drunk and vomiting in the streets and taking Class A drugs in order to avoid your duty. Sooner we take England back and throw out our Scottish masters the better :thumright:

RM
You couldn't have built your' empire without us.Historically & proportionally we have contributed more to the military than England & have been doing for hundreds of years.Google Cameron Highlanders.As for being pissed & spewing in the street...... try a night out in Pompey or Guzz,any night, ask Sgtp.

We are not discussing Pompey or Guz; Cancun is an international tourist venue and the behaviour of these Scrotes reflects badly on the British forces in general and the British Army in particular. It's a long time since you Sweaty Socks contributed anything meaningful to the Union and with your gene-pool so contaminated it would be better for the English if you went your own way.

RM :thumright:
Our gene pool is contaminated! Of the half a million non euro immigrants (legal) to UK l,ast year how many do you think went to Scotland? I think you'll find most went to England,soon to be known as Englastan. British forces are already undermanned, with problems in retention,yes that's a great idea,lay off all the Scots. At least it'll stop our young folk being slaughtered for fuck all.

Is this a competition to see how many quotes you can get in one post?

No...
 
Re: Argylle and Sutherland Highlanders

Bergen said:
You Jockroaches obviously have a different idea of fun to mine; blind-drunk and vomiting in the streets and taking Class A drugs in order to avoid your duty. Sooner we take England back and throw out our Scottish masters the better :thumright:

RM

Rather rich coming from you Bergie dear! Remind us where you are exactly?

And whoever it was mentioned that the Underground are drug/alcohol free is correct, certainly train drivers are subject to random drug/alcohol testing and again immediately after any incident and there is a zero tolerance policy. Gone - no argument as it is in their contract of employement, no pension, no job.
 

Bergen

ADC
Re: Argylle and Sutherland Highlanders

rosinacarley said:
Bergen said:
You Jockroaches obviously have a different idea of fun to mine; blind-drunk and vomiting in the streets and taking Class A drugs in order to avoid your duty. Sooner we take England back and throw out our Scottish masters the better :thumright:

RM

Rather rich coming from you Bergie dear! Remind us where you are exactly?

And whoever it was mentioned that the Underground are drug/alcohol free is correct, certainly train drivers are subject to random drug/alcohol testing and again immediately after any incident and there is a zero tolerance policy. Gone - no argument as it is in their contract of employement, no pension, no job.

I'll come back to England Rosie but only when the country is not being run by itinerant jocks who game the system for the benefit of Scotland.

Remind me again why Scottish MPs are allowed to vote on English matters :thumright:

RM
 
Re: Argylle and Sutherland Highlanders

Bergen said:
Remind me again why Scottish MPs are allowed to vote on English matters :thumright:

RM

Well that is a whole other debate, but I should say that it is a well known fact that democracies gets the politicians it deserves, and just as a straw poll who on here is active in politics?

If we can't be bothered to vote them out what do you expect?

Come home anyway, the dollar is shite and the pound rules! You must be nearly on the breadline!!!
 

Bergen

ADC
Re: Argylle and Sutherland Highlanders

rosinacarley said:
Bergen said:
Remind me again why Scottish MPs are allowed to vote on English matters :thumright:

RM

Well that is a whole other debate, but I should say that it is a well known fact that democracies gets the politicians it deserves, and just as a straw poll who on here is active in politics?

If we can't be bothered to vote them out what do you expect?

Come home anyway, the dollar is shite and the pound rules! You must be nearly on the breadline!!!

Dollar??????? Rosie you must mean the North American Peso :thumright:

I seem to remember predicting the US$ problems over a year ago......and it will get a lot worse.

Changing subjects on you....bet you were cheering for Italy :bball:

RM
 
Re: Argylle and Sutherland Highlanders

Bergen said:
Changing subjects on you....bet you were cheering for Italy :bball:

RM

Actually I had forgetten, not so big on footie, but am pleased for my father. I heard that when Italy won the world cup he had to be physically restrained from running up the street with his Italian flag waving in the air.

He lives in Wakefield!
 
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