Are the group photos when passing out of Raleigh, mandatory?

AB111

Badgeman
It's rather annoying these days, that your pic will be shared online and such, with all the threats to privacy this entails.
 

janner

MIA
Book Reviewer
I think that the OP is so ugly that he will stand out in the photo, he is quite rightly concerned that this will make him an easily indentified target.
 

AB111

Badgeman
I think that the OP is so ugly that he will stand out in the photo, he is quite rightly concerned that this will make him an easily indentified target.
Well whether it's ugly or pretty, the AI algorithms won't care and I frankly don't want for instance FB to analyse my face. I should think this is an OPSEC issue, partially. I mean I would like to be social, but I think it's archaic these days, to include these pictures. Because people WILL share them online and while for old times sake it could be nice, I think people should be able to hide their faces or somehow be shielded from the privacy repercussions. But since such few people think of this and most just go along with it, I wondered if there was any recourse for the tech-conscious like myself.

That said, I'm glad you're encouraging introspection. However if I am indeed ugly, that's not my problem, as it won't be me who has to look at it.

But honestly, it's worrying if there's before and after group pictures. I can't imagine saying no, because the armed forces rely on the sense of community and camaraderie so much, that to refuse, would invite social isolation.
 

Waspie

War Hero
Well if having your picture taken is worrying, dare I ask your opinion on joining an armed force and getting possibly getting shot at!!!!!
Now that would worry me more than a course photo.
All I can say is get used to it as most courses have a course piccy.
As an aside, has anyone had any hassles because of being identified from any course photo's. After 24 years worth some in the limelight courtesy of my role in SAR and such - no-one has so much as said boo to be as a result of appearing on tv and course photo's!!!
 
Ooh the embarrassment when your parents/loved ones get out the old photos and you see how skin and essence you used to be (and had hair).

I am with you on this Waspie, although I have never done SAR, I have had my fair share of course/team photos and never had any comeback. Then again, this is as close to social media as I get.

It is not compulsory to have a face ache account!
 

AB111

Badgeman
Well if having your picture taken is worrying, dare I ask your opinion on joining an armed force and getting possibly getting shot at!!!!!
Now that would worry me more than a course photo.
All I can say is get used to it as most courses have a course piccy.
As an aside, has anyone had any hassles because of being identified from any course photo's. After 24 years worth some in the limelight courtesy of my role in SAR and such - no-one has so much as said boo to be as a result of appearing on tv and course photo's!!!
Ha, good joke. Maybe your age makes you unable to appreciate this issue, because it wasn't a concern in your time. I'm not scared of being shot at. It's simply a fact that these days, privacy is threatened and as with the Met Police using facial recognition at the WW1 Cenotaph, I shouldn't have to fork over highly personal info, just for serving the country IMO. So it's not necessarily due to a fear of being attacked for example, but due to the PRINCIPLE of not having your privacy violated, just so that 15 other strangers and half a dozen american companies and their friends in the ad industry, can scan your face, catalogue you and otherwise spread your image around as they please. I think if the pictures were strictly non-digital, with sharing something to be punished, then that would help. But otherwise it's just reckless sharing of data and frankly, in a democracy, that's dangerous. It's the same deal when companies want access to NHS health data: you can argue it's not a big deal, that it's not scary and so on. But in the end, it's harmful, it's risky and it's a violation of your rights.

I understand the social value of group pictures. But this is a thing which has been in place since forever, since when people couldn't just connect on FB and chat up old friends. So, as with the newly minted awareness of things like environmental pollution, privacy must also be considered. It's beneficial for all, including the RN, to do so.

For you, if you're interested:
I also think it's frankly ridiculous to talk about PERSEC, OPSEC and whatnot and not support these kinds of ideas, institutionally.
 

AB111

Badgeman
Why OPSEC?

I can understand your concerns about PERSEC but in what way would a group pic from Raleigh affect operational security?
Sorry, I meant PERSEC. Although as I understand, the RN has to adapt to the new generation of sailors who demand online access and thus an awareness of the issues I'm raising, could help.
 

Waspie

War Hero
Another question then.
What happens when either a media photographer or a member of the public takes your picture from outside the wire. (Off MoD land) Of you in uniform! Its quiet legal to photograph MoD sites, unlike other countries, Turkey for one.
Its outside your control and even MoD Police have no powers as long as the image has no classified detail in it.
 

AB111

Badgeman
Another question then.
What happens when either a media photographer or a member of the public takes your picture from outside the wire. (Off MoD land) Of you in uniform! Its quiet legal to photograph MoD sites, unlike other countries, Turkey for one.
Its outside your control and even MoD Police have no powers as long as the image has no classified detail in it.
You already know what happens: I begrudgingly accept it, while hoping they don't share it online if the image is clear enough to identify me and they get a picture which hopefully inspires a mixture of awe, envy and lust. Naturally, if I'm wearing a mask for example, I don't mind at all. But I want a choice. That's what this is about: control over who gets to know what about you. It's a human right.

But it's not about the practical side of it. It's about the ethical firstly and then secondly, the arrangement of the technology. Essentially, it's not about barring technology. It's about using it in a way which benefits us as much as possible. Currently for example, when you use an app on your phone, that app may get access to your contacts, location, call history and whatever else and it might just be a flashlight app. That's ridiculous. Likewise, when you go to websites, do they use things like Google Analytics? If so, they shouldn't. And so on and so on. Ther's many aspects to this question and that's why it's complicated. It's not like "womens rights", where the name itself allows us all to know what we think of it, instantly. But I'm focusing on the group pictures, because it's mandatory and I know it will get shared, which makes me uncomfortable. Who says a foreign company has a right to scan my face for example? No one. Who says a foreign company, whom I don't associate with, has a right to know that I met so and such or did XYZ thing at XYZ place? No one. What if they abuse it in some way? I won't know and if I do, how would I stop i? The thing is, it's the collection and analysis itself, which is abusive.
 

Sumo

War Hero
so what have you not told the RN are you a wanted man by police, mafia, debt collectors? Security has always been part of service life, but hiding in the broom cupboard is not the answer, once out with your mates your face will be all over FB by the end of the first round, if you become a squirrel then fair enough. Enjoy your time.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
With your concerns over a group photo, I assume if you do the Guard at Remembrance Day at the Cenotaph (or any other public engagement you can, and will, be called on to perform), you'll be the one with a paper bag over your head?
 
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