Anything I can do?

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  1. Here is my post on another RM forum:

    "Hello everyone, found the site through Google.

    I´ll explain my pity party first, to put it all into context. I am going to sound like a chest puffing nob here, as I am going to sell my self in a big way. I want to say however that the only reason for this is to justify my "miftness" at the situation - I´m not someone who woke up one day and thought "I´ll be a Royal Marine".

    I have had the dream of joining the Royal Marines for four years. My family is very, very naval, having an admiral or two in the family and a long history. My dad trained with the marines, which sparked my interest. Since the day I decided to go for it, I have been running, on ground rather than treadmill, for 2 hours a day (in boots, kit and with weight on), swimming for one hour and cycling uphill (albeit on a machine) for another hour and a half. I have ten GCSE´s, and have just finished an International Baccalaureate Diploma. I have been shooting since I am 4 years old, and can handle, clean, take apart and re-assemble a number of pistols, rifles and shotguns. I have been watch leader and team co-coordinator on tall-ship sailing expeditions, outdoor camping excursions, and have been an organiser on various school trips. Most of all, giving up on anything has never really been an option to me, and I pride my self in never(almost! ) letting my self get into a grumpy, moody way.

    So, major chest puffing over, and you are thinking - "so what" and "here comes another one". Let me explain my problem - as a child, I had asthma. Since 6 years, I have had no problems with it, at any point. I have come to Europe for a holiday, and it´s kicked me in the arse. The problem is, my asthma is allergy induced, which means my various allergies to particles of dust, pollen etc induces the build up of mucus and crushes the old lungs!

    My "miftness" comes from the fact that the RM dismiss asthma in an all to general way - there are so many different types and severity's. I approached my doctor about the problem (who very kindly agreed not to make a file about the meeting in case of RM medical inquiries!) and he prescribed me various strength anti-histamines. Some of the really do the trick, and keep me going.

    My question is - do I have a chance at my dream? The reason for all the smoke blowing and chest puffing was to let you know that in my eyes, I feel very very ready and capable to give the PRMC a shot. Please don´t think I think I am going to go in there and nail it on my own. I know that it would push every last drop out of me, but it is in that kind of challenge I relish. I have managed to avoid getting a Salbutamol Inhaler so far - been sitting in clear and and breathing slowly until it clears, and so my medical history is clear. I am asking whether or not they allow me to carry some anti-histamines or something? Do I have a chance of sneaking it by them, or ´forgetting`to tell them some things? What about once I am in?

    Once again my asthma has nothing to do with my physical exercise, and is not induced by any of it. I am at the end of my rope here - checked the navy, air force, paras and even the army( ) on their policies, but have so far seemed to found the same answer. I can´t and don´t want to imagine doing anything else in life, but it looks as though this post will have some very short answers.

    Many thanks to all in advance, and once again - sincerely sorry if I sound like pompous prick. "

    So, there you have it. It seems I won't get into the RM despite everything, and so was wondering - is there anything at all I can do in the Navy? Or the Air Force even? Army? I know this might not be the perfect forum but you lot know more than me. I was looking into joining the FAA, but they seem even more intense about the asthma. Again, anything out there for me? I want to serve.

    Many, many thanks in advance.

    Julian
     
  2. chieftiff

    chieftiff War Hero Moderator

    I think you have a snag to be honest, Ninja_Stoker is probably the man to answer your question as I believe he works in the AFCO, he might not pick up this thread here though it may have been better in "newbies".

    Good luck
     
  3. So, there you have it. It seems I won't get into the RM despite everything, and so was wondering - is there anything at all I can do in the Navy? Or the Air Force even? Army? I know this might not be the perfect forum but you lot know more than me. I was looking into joining the FAA, but they seem even more intense about the asthma. Again, anything out there for me? I want to serve.

    Mod edit: Now, now, this is for advice, if you wish to make a dig, please start a thread in DL or the Qtr
     

  4. Cruel hig :bball: :bball: What about the NAAFI


    :nemo: :nemo:
     
  5. Hig!! Bad. Very, very bad.

    juliancs mate, it really doesn't look too good, does it? Realistically you should begin to formulate a back-up plan.

    SF
     
  6. If you don't try you'll never Know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  7. True. It is important to try because you will always wonder "what if" otherwise. All I'm saying is that you need to think of secondary options just in case. Even those without medical problems don't necessarily make it in or all the way. If it was easy, no one would want in .... 99.99% and all that.

    SF
     
  8. does not have to be RM anymore...any other things in the navy? As it is a pollen allergy im thinking diver or pilot?
    many thanks for the responses!
     
  9. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Hello again Julian!

    Welcome to the RR site mate!

    I've re-posted my reply to you from the PRMC Site, for those that maybe in a similar situation, so please don't think I'm being pedantic, it may help others.

    What I would say, prior to pasting the bit below, is that aircrew may well be a problem also I'm afraid, due to lung-scarring, but when all is said & done the Medical Officer is the only person that will say "Yes" or "No" either way, so he/she is the only person that can give you a definitive answer.

    You do have to pass a fairly stringent additional diving medical if you go down the diving route. I'd suggest you ask your local AFCO if you may start the application process but have your medical earlier in the process to establish whether your condition would be a complete bar to entry or whether there are any options.


    "The standard answer:

    "The following conditions make a person permanently unsuitable for entry into the services...Chest disorders: Asthma, wheeze or asthma symptoms (and treatment) during the previous 4 years " This is a Tri-Service rule, not unique to the Royal Marines.

    The reason, it goes without saying, for the medical ruling is that people can & do die of asthma however it is induced. The general rule of thumb is that you need to be free from all treatment & medication in order to be passed fit to join the service because you will be called upon to operate for prolonged periods, without specialist medical support

    Hayfever can itself be a bar to entry if it produces the above symptoms and/or treatment particularly for Royal Marines due to the nature of the job.

    One possibility worth investigating, as fitness appears to be your thing, assuming you are 4 years free of treatment is Royal Navy Clearance Diver as the liklehood of pollen-induced conditions is greatly reduced at sea as opposed to "in the field".


    Again, good luck.
     
  10. Hig!! Bad. Very, very bad.

    Well SF, he said he wanted to serve, Has to be better than selling the Big Issue. :w00t:
     
  11. Bad boy Hig. That was not necessary. Go and sit on the 'naughty step'.

    Funny though. :biggrin:
     
  12. Julian,

    I can't offer any advice, but I just wanted to wish you the best of luck achieving your dream. You're overflowing with enthusiasm and commitment and that goes a long way.

    Best of luck.
     
  13. Try Googling for "Buteyko". Apparently it's a breathing technique that can cure asthma. Even if you don't make it into the armed forces, you'll have a better quality of life. Good luck.
     
  14. Julian,

    First of all, you seem a switched on fella and I would recommend that whichever service you opt for you should consider going direct entry officer first. You certainly have the correct qualifications.

    Now to the main point. I think you should stick to your original idea of joining the RM's. Although not a RM I have spent the majority of my career working alongside them and (without bumming them up too much) they are a cut above the Army.

    It appears that you have two options:
    1. Apply and tell them that you have asthma. If you do this and they let you in you can be assured that you will receive the best treatment throughout your career and you will always have that warm cosy feeling that you arn't hiding anything. The downside to this of course is that you may not get in at all.
    2. Do not disclose the fact that you have asthma. This is the best option to ensure that you get in. However, once you join you will be under the care of an RN Doc and your civilian records will be transferred over to the RN and therefore stop you getting medication from your family GP. So say you decide that you don't need the medication at all; you could probably get away with hiding the condition. Although I would guess that at some point during your career you may suffer an attack and have to seek medical attention (not much good if it happens in a poppy field in Afghanistan!). If this did happen you may eventually have to attend NMBOS (Naval Medical Board Of Survey). They would not necessarily kick you out, they may just put conditions on your service.

    A word of warning - I see that you mentioned joining as a diver or pilot. Both these branches have detailed medicals prior to training which involve lung capacity/function tests. They would possibly pick-up on your condition. The point I am making is that if you knowingly hide the fact that you have asthma and suffer an attack at 50 metres you will most likely end up brown bread and will possibly endanger the life of the standby diver.

    Sorry about the long thread - I hope this gives you something to think about. Good luck!
     
  15. Do not disclose the fact that you have asthma. This is the best option to ensure that you get in. However, once you join you will be under the care of an RN Doc

    Solid advice eh? Start your Service Life with a lie, of course you will never be found out will you?

    I suppose some Mod will delete this as having a dig, FFS i give up.
     
  16. Hmm. I sense some sarcasm in your thread! If you read on you will note that I did go on to say that his asthma would rear it's head at some time.

    "Although I would guess that at some point during your career you may suffer an attack and have to seek medical attention (not much good if it happens in a poppy field in Afghanistan!)"

    Anyway, after your usefull thoughts I don't think that you are in a position to criticise. I was just giving the lad his options.

    Regards.
     
  17. No sarcasm at all you have blatantly told him to lie, by the way, are you serving? I`m not criticising the lad, It`s you, you made the statement, There are none so blind as those that cannot see.
     
  18. Higs is right ------to join the armed forces you have to be truthfull

    If you have a medical problem then speak the truth------then if you do somehow get accepted the service will have agreed to let you serve and also are willing to take a chance on your health.

    Lots of guys say truthfully at joining they have no problems and get in however the rigours of early service life bring out any weaknesses and most options are a return to civilian life .


    :nemo: :nemo:
     
  19. Im wondering now. If I get into the RM and I dont tell em I have asthma, and everything is ok, say I get an attack or problems 3 years down the line, am I kicked out?
     
  20. sgtpepperband

    sgtpepperband War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    Not now you've told everyone on Rum Ration.. :twisted:
     

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