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any navigation literature suggestions pre-BRNC?

ht214

Midshipman
Hi there!

I talked to my ACLO a few days ago about BRNC in April, and apart from getting super-fit, he recommended that I bought some GCSE maths revision books to get my brain back into shape, and also some kind of basic book on navigation to give me a little bit of a chance of foundation knowledge.

Are there any books out there that anyone would recommend? I was thinking of the RYA "navigation exercises" book:http://www.amazon.co.uk/RYA-Navigat...090150193X/ref=pd_sim_b_1/277-0744297-0265329

Thanks
 

ht214

Midshipman
Alright smartarse!
I can read a map, I was thinking more about that big blue wet thing, doesn't that have slightly different rules/charts/symbols?
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
RYA tend to be rather good for navigation, however you are hardly going to fail AIB if you cannot explain in technical detail how to calculate your position by dead-reckoning, allowing for wind, tides & speed over the ground when a Tom-Tom will guide you to AIB, HMS Sultan, equally as well if you know the postcode.

A basic backgound knowledge will do no harm if you want to be a Warfare or Aircrew Officer, granted, but you get taught all that after you've joined anyway.

Beware going too deep into specialist areas & missing the "big picture" knowledge of the Royal Navy as a whole. Conversely- If you claim to have an RYA Day-Skipper's ticket, then expect to be asked about it, including "Rule of the Road" stuff too.

Good luck.
 
Are you going in as a Warfare Officer - if so get hold of a copy of the Rules of the Road and start learning them verbatim. Not only will it ease the pressure whilst at BRNC, it will also pay dividends for the rest of your career!!!
 

ht214

Midshipman
alfred_the_great said:
Are you going in as a Warfare Officer - if so get hold of a copy of the Rules of the Road and start learning them verbatim. Not only will it ease the pressure whilst at BRNC, it will also pay dividends for the rest of your career!!!

Is that this one?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seamans-Guide-Rule-Road/dp/0948254580/ref=pd_sim_b_5

I saw it, it looks pretty awesome, or is it too technical (given that the closest I have had to offshore navigation was on a container ship, it was pretty much computer-controlled)?
 

jimjimjimjim

Badgeman
her be a chunky ****** to remember there dude! get it along with the pocket book with the samey looking cover at the bottom of the page and parrot fashion the shit outa them rules, word for word!
 

scouse

War Hero
Dr.Zoidberg said:
How about a map.
you sound more like Tim with each post :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: So green to green red to red Perfect safety go ahead :wink:
 
alfred_the_great said:
Are you going in as a Warfare Officer - if so get hold of a copy of the Rules of the Road and start learning them verbatim. Not only will it ease the pressure whilst at BRNC, it will also pay dividends for the rest of your career!!!

I would certainly second that. The bits I foumd most difficult getting my head round were the maths involved in astro navigation, which will apply similarly to GPS theory too I suspect. For the every day stuff getting slick at the real plotting is good, I domn't know about now but we had to fix, DR and EP on a 6 or 10 minute cycle, and do all the other OOW stuff at the same time.
 

Karma

War Hero
alfred_the_great said:
.......a copy of the Rules of the Road and start learning them verbatim. .....

Agree. And the RoR flash cards are quite useful, as well as being able to regurgitate the rules verbatim you also have to understand their application, so it's worth a couple of different books, one to just lern the words from and one that puts them in context and gives scenarios.
 

Karma

War Hero
letthecatoutofthebag said:
[rant on]
I'm not a Luddite by any stretch of the imagination but I have seen too many young OsOW fixated by WECDIS and GPS and spend absolutely no time doing the main part of their job (i.e. looking out of the window). WECIDS is a great tool but it needs to be understood that it is a tool and is not the answer to everything. Not every contact will show on radar and have an ARPA plot and not every contact will have AIS...
[rant off]

No disagreement from me. Twenty years ago GPS, in the form of a Trimble hand held, was a special fit, just shy of ten years ago I had an OOW lose it with me over the fact that QYF had an intermittent problem (scintillation was the eventual conclusion) and he needed it to navigate with. He really lost it when I slapped a radar fix on the chart for him. Fixation with the technology does seem to have accelerated of late with forward facing displays and WECDIS though.
 
ltcootb. I agree that in today's electronic age only a ludditie or a numpty would not use the electronic means when available, but I would have expected that the handraulic process would also be tought, as I said I had to do spherical trig despite actually using sight forms and tables of computed altitude and azimouth (which you can download for free these days from NOAA). On the looking out the window, I wholly agree with you, I often have arguements on yotty groups about taking resposibility for ones own safety, not relying on the ROR or radar etc to save you and alert others to your presence. There is no substitute for a good lookout.
 
If you are Warfare anything Rule of the Road (International Regulations for the Prevention of Collisions at Sea) will be a help, the more you know pre-BRNC the better. The Navigation can be questionable, on the basis that some chaps had learnt bad habits and methods not used here, so they had to completely re-learn the Navy's way.

However, if you are pre-AIB, focus on the AIB first, and RoR after.
 
lets be honest, as a WE it's not hard to confuse a PWO (the irony is painful!). Anyway, sporadic-E is a true reason why HR can go duff.....
 

mylespe

Midshipman
sorry slightly off topic

ninja - from what you mention above about RYA 'day skipper ticket' if i go into AIB saying (as i am) that i work on yachts, am ticketed up to the max, and have been doing so for years are they going to test me on RoR? my knowledge is all the practical, can't remember the numbers or the wording (neither can my skipper who has been running 100+fters for 40 years. is that a problem? Im sure they wont be that harsh but worth checking
 

mylespe

Midshipman
Potential_Officer said:
The Navigation can be questionable, on the basis that some chaps had learnt bad habits and methods not used here, so they had to completely re-learn the Navy's way.r.

guilty. most of us civvie hacks are. been on my current boat for 5months full time and think the paper charts are somewhere, not sure where. slide rule? whats that? passage plan, um click here and here and press enter

i hate and love it at the same time!
 
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