Animal Farm

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  1. No, NOT the porn film.

    Has anyone here read george Orwell's 'Animal Farm'? It's been said to be an "allegory of Soviet totalitarianism" but I think nowadays it more likely represents British politics with noo labor as the pigs, and with Tony Bliar occupying the starring role as Napolean.

    Incidently, George Orwell's real name was Eric Blair
     
  2. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator

    sorry, the pigs who where more equel nicked all the books,
     
  3. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator

    the porno was minging
     
  4. I studied Orwell and would think that 'Road to Wigan Pier' or '1984' would be as allegorically appropriate as 'Animal Farm' when juxtaposed to Phoney Tony and his New labour tribe.

    What I really liked about Orwell was his probable quote of "Civilians sleep safely in their beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do them harm". Neat.

    Just glad Jimmy Green that you didn't quote something from Jane Austen. I had to study her for A Level too and she is one bad-assed bitch....lol....let's not go there. :shock:
    RM
     
  5. Did they eat all the pies too??
     
  6. Perhaps this government should commission a rewrite of animal farm.

    One where it states that all citizens are equal, but non working, non tax paying, benefit claimants, criminals and illegal immigrants are more equal.
     
  7. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator

    can you just imagine our foriegn sec, becket doing the scene with the horse, or the eels, must go to the toilet..........
     
  8. I used to have that quote about rough men visiting violence on my web page. Might sticj it back up.
    For those interested in AF please read this short essay by a youngster. It gives some of the socio-political context and the similarities to the "whiter than white ... Trust me ... I'm basically a good guy" sofa committariate of New Labour are plain to see. PS Kids still read AF for O and A level.
    In Animal Farm, George Orwell gives a very expressive and accurate description of what happened in Russia after Czar Nicholas II was forced to surrender. The story being an allegory Orwell uses animals to represent people and events that happened in Russian from 1917-1939. Mr. Jones represents Czar Nicholas II, they both lost control over what they administered, Mr. Jones controlled Manor Farm, and Czar controlled Russia. Animal Farm as well as Russia needed new leaders; in Animal Farm the pigs were the ones to stand up; in Russia, Lenin, Stalin, and Trotsky stood up. Orwell chose to represent three famous Russian leaders with three pigs--snowball, Napoleon, and Squealer--in order to show us that power can corrupt us, the story being an allegory he chose the pigs, the smartest animal on Animal Farm.
    Since Old Major was dead and Jones was gone, the Animals, ironically, needed a leader to be in charge of the new Animal Farm, where they were all free and equal.
    Pigs were considered the most intelligent; Snowball and Napoleon were the most distinguished among them. The pigs become corrupted by power, Napoleon wants the farm to be governed by pigs, and that they should be the only ones to have a say. On the other hand, Snowball thinks that everyone should have an opinion, and that they shall have meetings to discuss new plans with all the animals. Snowball and Napoleon constantly argued; Napoleon was already hungry for power and soon after the Rebellion, had plans of getting rid of his opponent (Snowball).
    Trotsky and Stalin fought for power, but Stalin eventually eliminated Trotsky, having him expelled from Russia. In the same manner, Napoleon directed the dogs he had raised to attack Snowball. Thus, he had eliminated his only rival and was free to control the farm, and he has Snowball expelled for the farm. Upon the expulsion of Snowball, Napoleon’s first decision was to cancel the Sunday Morning Meetings. “They were unnecessary”, he said, and “wasted time”. In the future all questions related to the work of the farm would be settle by a special committee of the pigs. This is also very much alike the Command Economy that Stalin had made, in which the government made all economic decisions.
    As Stalin gained more power, it was essential for him to eliminate any who might challenge him, and also to keep a bodyguard around him to prevent any harm from coming to him. He assigned a secret police to assassinate people who were against him and to keep him safe. Napoleon needed his personal army also, and this was the dogs’ actual purpose. Squealer the pig was very persuasive and “.... could turn black into white.” He communicated to all the other animals what Napoleon had said, and always convinced them that it was right. Lenin, much like Squealer made sure that everyone agreed with Stalin’s decisions, and persuaded them to think that it was always the right move.
    Animal Farm characters have strong connections to people and things that actually existed during the Russian revolution. Orwell did a great job contrasting three famous Russian leaders, with three common farm pigs.

    © Christian Ballesteros.
     
  9. Off thread but it is absolutely beautiful here today. Crisp. With that very bright light one finds in the cold.
     
  10. Alistair Campbell as Squealer. (Mandelson also). Jo "A good day to bury bad news" Moore as one of the attck dogs.
     
  11. If only more youngsters had such a command of the English language.
     
  12. "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"

    Comrade Prescott, as transport minister, engaged in a "war on motorists" in an attempt to force the plebs off the road into a really shit public transport system, presumably to make more room on the roads for himself and other important people.
    Famously he and his wife Pauline were driven 250 yards down the road from their hotel to protect her hair-do. (This was to a Labour Party conference where he made a speech to encourage people to use public transport)
    If he thought that much of his wife, why did he spend 2 years fucking his secretary?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...cle_id=393914&in_page_id=1770&in_page_id=1770
     
  13. You seen his wife ...?
     
  14. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator

    I would, but then again thats not saying much really
     
  15. That's what I here! :)
     
  16. I meant "hear" ... duh bootneck ..
     
  17. I take it the ex regiment MP davis davis with the big nose will play boxer then!!
     

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