Am I banned from joining the navy?

AlanBaker

Newbie
Hi,
I'm looking to join the navy as an adult nurse when I finish my degree in 2021. Unfortunately when I was 15 I experienced some mental health issues and I tried to commit suicide twice.

From what I've read I understand this probably denies me entry to the forces, I was just looking for any clarification if possible. I was wondering if I will be able to appeal this since this was 6 years ago and I haven't experienced any mental health issues since. I was going through a hard time and I was just child and didn't understand the seriousness of what I was doing.

Thanks for any replies, it's much appreciated:)
 

soleil

War Hero
Hi,
I'm looking to join the navy as an adult nurse when I finish my degree in 2021. Unfortunately when I was 15 I experienced some mental health issues and I tried to commit suicide twice.

From what I've read I understand this probably denies me entry to the forces, I was just looking for any clarification if possible. I was wondering if I will be able to appeal this since this was 6 years ago and I haven't experienced any mental health issues since. I was going through a hard time and I was just child and didn't understand the seriousness of what I was doing.

Thanks for any replies, it's much appreciated:)
Hi AB

The source on which decisions on medical eligibility are based is a document called JSP 950. It does include guidance on the position re candidates whose medical history includes experiences of the type you have described. You can see an up-to-date version of JSP 950 here:


In the search box, type in:

Intentional Self-Harm

The content of the relevant paragraph suggests that, as the relevant episodes were over 2 years ago and were relatively close together, you would not be barred from continuing with an application, but I do think that your case would be referred. Ultimately, the person who decides on medical eligibility is the Senior Medical Officer (Service Entry) and it is the SMO(SE) who will look at the referral.

You will be able to apply next year, but I can see that you are concerned now. Although the AFCO based Careers Advisors don't engage in detailed conversations on medical eligibility themselves, it might be possible to ask them for clarification of what it says in JSP 950; there is a possibility that they could make an initial enquiry of their own to the SMO(SE) for advice at this point, which may make the situation clearer.

Where is your nearest large town? I will give you the number for the Careers Advisors there. They are taking calls at the moment, but not seeing people in person, of course.

PS Try to change your User Name, if you can.
 
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AlanBaker

Newbie
Thanks guys for your help. It's nice to know my case will be considered despite my past. I can't remember exactly how close they where together, so I'm going to have to ask to access my health records.

I might be being dumb here but at the end of the paragraph it says 'responsibly for service entry in line with para 5'. What is this referring to?

By the way my name is not Alan, it's just the first thing I thought of.
 

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soleil

War Hero
I might be being dumb here but at the end of the paragraph it says 'responsibly for service entry in line with para 5'. What is this referring to?
AB

That bit is basically corroboration of what I said in my earlier post.

The paragraph which you are looking at, which is the relevant one for your case, is Para 47. If you scroll up the page, you eventually come to Para 5, which says:

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5. If there is insufficient evidence presented at the pre-employment medical examination (or prior questionnaire screening) to enable a decision, additional clarifying evidence (eg contemporaneous medical records) should be requested from the candidate or the candidate’s GP. When specified within this policy or where uncertainty remains, the case should be referred to the single Service occupational physician responsible for Service entry.


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In cases like your one, when the right decision is one made by a Medical Officer using additional information for clarifying purposes, the case goes to the SMO(SE), the Single Service Occupational Physician responsible for service entry in the Royal Navy.
 

soleil

War Hero
AB

Something I was thinking about after I had posted my earlier replies to you was the question of when you could apply. Something was popping up in my mind and telling me that NN(Q)s could apply before qualification but needed to be qualified on their start date.

The reference source for these things is a document called BR3, so I had a little look to see what it said.

What it says is:

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Naval Nurse Qualified (Adult).

Eligibility Standards are as follows:

(1) Minimum age on entry is 20 years.

(2) Educational Qualifications. BSc or MSc in Adult nursing (the applicant may be eligible if within 9 months of gaining this qualification - contact CNR OPS NMD SO3 for guidance).

(3) Registration. Candidates must be registered prior to entry. The candidate may be in the process of gaining registration at the time of application. Clarification of acceptable registration standards may be obtained from CNR OPS NRAPO. Candidates must be registered prior to entry as Registered General Nurse (RGN) or Registered Nurse (RN) (Adult) on sub part 1 (RN1, RNA) or alternatively sub part 2 (RN2, RN7) of the Nursing and Midwifery Council.

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I gather from the NMC website that, when nursing students have completed their studies successfully and are eligible for registration, their Universities pass their details on to the NMC so that registration can proceed. I can only guess as to when your establishment would do this for you, I imagine that it would be at the end of the academic year, so around June, but your term dates may be different to how I imagine them to be.

What I would recommend is that you seek clarification about what it says in (2)(3). If this is indeed the current situation, you could perhaps apply , say, in October/November of this year. This would be particularly advantageous to a candidate in your situation, because when cases are referred to SMO(SE), it can take a while to get a decision back. It might well be that you could complete the earliest stages of your application in the autumn and then wait while the medical referral stage takes place. All being well, things would then go forward in the New Year. I think that you would find it a tremendous boost as you started the last 6 months of your nursing course if you knew that you were eligible to progress in the recruitment process.

Can you tell me where your nearest town or large city is? I think that it would be in your interests to ask the CAs there for confirmation as to when NN(Q)s can apply and specifically confirmation as to whether a potential NN(Q) can apply in the last year of nurse training - my reading of the gospel and verse is that this is a possibility.
 
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