Am I alone in my thoughts.......bring back the SSK....cut the costs!!

Bearing Rate

Midshipman
After some very sad web browsing, I am looking for an intelligent response (lol), why oh why do we need 7(?) A class submarines. 1.5 billion for the first three, 200-300 million for a jetty. Compared to an off the shelf diesel for about £160 million. Ok for some operations a duration of 60 days or more is needed, the majority isnt.

So is it to support a fragile submarine/nuclear build industry? Is there some other point i am missing?

And i wont even start the pros of a modern AIP SSK over an SSN in the current climate.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
As it stands SSK's can't produce enough power to maintain modern sonar sets and associated computing systems. All the RN's submarine commitments aren't (and unlikely to be) in home waters.

Taking the present global scenario, if you keep an SSK (AIP or not) out the Gulf for any length of time you need a lot more support than an SSN. Ex-Diesel people are always banging on about this (not a pop at you BTW) but seem to forget we don't have any foreign bases to run out of anymore.

As long as the UK wants to play on the world scene, we need assets that can get to wherever and stay there unsupported.

That's my take on it. Unicorn did the last SSK patrol out the Gulf and had to have Diligence with it as support ship, I know this as I was on Dillipig as part of the RN support team.
 

Sumo

War Hero
As it stands SSK's can't produce enough power to maintain modern sonar sets and associated computing systems. All the RN's submarine commitments aren't (and unlikely to be) in home waters.

Taking the present global scenario, if you keep an SSK (AIP or not) out the Gulf for any length of time you need a lot more support than an SSN. Ex-Diesel people are always banging on about this (not a pop at you BTW) but seem to forget we don't have any foreign bases to run out of anymore.

As long as the UK wants to play on the world scene, we need assets that can get to wherever and stay the unsupported.

That's my take on it. Unicorn did the last SSK patrol out the Gulf and had to have Diligence with it as support ship, I know this as I was on Dillipig as part of the RN support team.
Good response, if our pm and top brass want a seat at the big boys table, they need the right calling card to get an invite. To play world wide we need more than a coastal navy that needs help to go on big jollies.
Once in service they will be cycled through maintenance and refits, so not all available at one time, so 7 is best guess to meet commitments.
 

Bearing Rate

Midshipman
Both valid points thanks. I am suprised that a SSK requires increased support to a SSN. Never been on an SSK however in certain operational areas i never ever spent more than 60 days in area without something breaking :)
Surely an SSK could frequent the current ports used by SSNs in operational areas.
In regard to power/sonar performance, i think the SSK would bring its own advantages to the fight. I understand we need a bat to play with the rest of the team, however 2 or 3 diesels in addition to say 5 A class would be imo a welcome and useful addition.Even one could release the SSN from Perisher duties!!
 

Polto

War Hero
In any event, to switch to ssk from where we are now would need considerable investment in addition to the cost of the units themselves.
 

Polycell

War Hero
As it stands SSK's can't produce enough power to maintain modern sonar sets and associated computing systems. All the RN's submarine commitments aren't (and unlikely to be) in home waters.

Taking the present global scenario, if you keep an SSK (AIP or not) out the Gulf for any length of time you need a lot more support than an SSN. Ex-Diesel people are always banging on about this (not a pop at you BTW) but seem to forget we don't have any foreign bases to run out of anymore.

As long as the UK wants to play on the world scene, we need assets that can get to wherever and stay there unsupported.

That's my take on it. Unicorn did the last SSK patrol out the Gulf and had to have Diligence with it as support ship, I know this as I was on Dillipig as part of the RN support team.
You jest surely?
When I was the 'bender' on P & Os we had 6 valve sets pulling power like no tomorrow. Plus the radars plus the WT pinkie crap.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
You jest surely?
When I was the 'bender' on P & Os we had 6 valve sets pulling power like no tomorrow. Plus the radars plus the WT pinkie crap.

Negative, you've been out the loop too long Fred, modern bow and flank arrays need a lot of wiggly's. The sonar cab space, computer room and sound room would drain an SSK's batteries in no time.
 

Polycell

War Hero
Sorry but bolloxs!
Do you not think before they put anything on to a boat they assess its capabilities and whether its capable of doing its job.
After my illustrious career in Britians finest I worked for Plessey Naval Systems on the Tridents 2054 fit so I think I know about bow, flank and towed arrays etc.
 
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WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
Then you'll know your P&O boats and successors wouldn't be able to sustain long dived patrols without coming up to snort all the time. This is a tired old argument that goes round and round in circles.
 

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