Altmark WW2

Hi I need help please. I am researching the names on our WW2 war memorial in Worthing West Sussex and one of the names in J J F Smith. The only information that I have been able to find in our local archive records is that this person was severely wounded re the Altmark 16th Feb 1940. Looking on the various websites I have found this person listed in The Navy List Dec 1940 page 109 and in an article about the Altmark's capture. Details below:

Meanwhile the "Altmark" which was jammed in the ice in the inner end of the fjord began to work her engines, and in spite of an order to stop, broke free and attempted to ram the "Cossack" as the destroyer came alongside. The only result of the manoeuvre, however, was the grounding of the "Altmark" herself by the stern. The two ships were now only about 8 feet apart and grappling irons were at once thrown out from the "Cossack", and a boarding-party leaped the gap and drove the German crew before them. For a few minutes hand-to-hand fighting was going on in many parts of the ship and the Germans suffered casualties amounting to seven dead and several wounded. The only British casualty was Mr. J. J. F. Smith, gunner in charge of one of the boarding parties who was severely wounded.

This is the only reference I can find of him, he is not on the CWGC listing, he is not on Ancestry or Find My Past. so has anybody got any idea's as to how I can find some details of him. He isn't listed on HMS Cossacks Crew list. He may not have died I just don't know. We just want our memorial to be more than just a list of names. Help please.
 

BARNEYRNSM

War Hero
Have you tried applying for his service records? They should be able to work out which Smith it is due to date of death being known?
 
When I have made enquires before you have to be a close relative and have chapter and verse on the person. I don't know actually if he did die. There was another entry that I just found that also refers to the Altmark where it states Gunner Smith wasn't seriously hurt so I don't know, but I will try. Thanks.
 

dapperdunn

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Hi I need help please. I am researching the names on our WW2 war memorial in Worthing West Sussex and one of the names in J J F Smith. The only information that I have been able to find in our local archive records is that this person was severely wounded re the Altmark 16th Feb 1940. Looking on the various websites I have found this person listed in The Navy List Dec 1940 page 109 and in an article about the Altmark's capture. Details below:

Meanwhile the "Altmark" which was jammed in the ice in the inner end of the fjord began to work her engines, and in spite of an order to stop, broke free and attempted to ram the "Cossack" as the destroyer came alongside. The only result of the manoeuvre, however, was the grounding of the "Altmark" herself by the stern. The two ships were now only about 8 feet apart and grappling irons were at once thrown out from the "Cossack", and a boarding-party leaped the gap and drove the German crew before them. For a few minutes hand-to-hand fighting was going on in many parts of the ship and the Germans suffered casualties amounting to seven dead and several wounded. The only British casualty was Mr. J. J. F. Smith, gunner in charge of one of the boarding parties who was severely wounded.

This is the only reference I can find of him, he is not on the CWGC listing, he is not on Ancestry or Find My Past. so has anybody got any idea's as to how I can find some details of him. He isn't listed on HMS Cossacks Crew list. He may not have died I just don't know. We just want our memorial to be more than just a list of names. Help please.
How 'Bullshit' @Big O D ?
 

dhobyitch

Lantern Swinger
A Commissioned Gunner J.J.F. Smith was onboard H.M.S. Aurora at the start of the war.
Aurora took part in the Norwegian Campaign... If that is of any help.

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Nippit

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Thought I'd have a look and see what I could find. I think Gunner JJF Smith was awarded a DSC whilst serving on Aurora.
He was promoted to Cmd Gnr in AFO 1875/42.
A bit more. He retired 19 December 1954 as a Lt
 
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Nippit

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The fog of war perhaps.
Had a look through the 39/45 Navy Lists for the number of Smith names. An amazing number-some hyphenated to differentiate and like the gentleman we're looking at-given three Christian names.
One smallish ship I looked at had a captain with a hyphenated name the surgeon Lt a WO Gunner and a CWO Gunner all called Smith. It must have driven the Drafting Commodores scatty as they were mostly retired Admirals who had volunteered for War Service
 
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Nippit

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A bit more information:-

Promoted WO Gunner 1 January 1934
Commissioned Gunner 1 October 1942
Lt 15 March 1948. It appears that by this time he had been awarded a Bar to his DSC.
served:-
1934 Emerald
1937 Excellent
1938 Aurora
1942 Sirius
1947 Vanguard
1949 Excellent-- until retirement
These are the ships in which his active documents were held. He will have seen action on many smaller vessels including the Cossack along the way. From all accounts he was a very large man both as an officer and physically
 
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