All about how to join the RN/RM from Overseas

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  1. my fiancee is from st lucia, a commonwealth country and is wanting to aply for a marine engineer techician position.
    Is anyone on here an overseas applicant?
    he is coming to the UK for a few weeks shortly, would he be able to begin his application process then?
    any idea roughly how long it would take for the whole process??
    any help would be gratefully appreciated.

    MOD edit: I have replaced the original sticky with this thread, also changed the title, J_D xx
     
  2. Re: overseas applicant

    They have had recruiting drives in St Lucia and St Vincent in the past. Has he tried going through the British Consulate or on line through RN.COM?

    sf
     
  3. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Re: overseas applicant

    Hopefully this will give you an insight into the selection process that you must undertake to join the Royal Navy or Royal Marines, and to inform you of some of the problems that you may encounter as an overseas applicant. In the first instance you should contact the Overseas Desk at London AFCO, prior to your visit.

    THE SELECTION PROCESS

    Before making any application you must note that non-British citizens may only apply for the following branches, for which there are immediate vacancies:

    Royal Marines Other Rank
    Royal Marines Band Service
    Logistician (Catering Services) (Preparation)- Formerly: Chef
    Logistician (Catering Services) (Delivery)- Formerly: Steward
    Logistician (Supply Chain)- Formerly:Stores Accountant
    Dental Surgery Assistant

    Commonwealth citizens are also eligible to join the following branches; however, there are currently no immediate vacancies. If you apply for any of the branches below, you would probably have to wait in excess of 12 months to join and this would mean that you would have to visit the UK twice, at your own expense, in order to pass the selection process:

    Engineering Technicial [Maine Engineering] ET(ME)
    Naval Airman (Aircraft Handler)
    Medical Assistant
    Naval Nurse

    If you decide to apply for one of the branches above, you will be required to visit an Armed Forces Careers Office in the United Kingdom to undertake the following elements of the selection procedure:
    • The Recruiting Test
    • The Selection Interview
    • Medical Examination.
    • A Pre-joining Fitness Test

    Potential Royal Marines Course (PRMC)

    In addition to undertaking the selection procedure above, if you are applying for the Royal Marines you will also have to undertake the three-day Potential Royal Marine Course (PRMC) at the Commando Training Centre Royal Marines in Devon.

    If you are applying for the Royal Navy the selection procedure can be completed within two working weeks. If you are applying for the Royal Marines the process, including attendance at PRMC, can be completed in three weeks.

    You can only complete the selection process in the UK and you will have to meet all the travel and accommodation costs. If you require a visa to travel to the UK for selection tests then you must arrange and pay for this yourself. If you intend to stay with family or friends, they may be required to provide evidence that they are permitted to accommodate visitors and that they are financially stable.

    The cost of travelling to UK for the selection tests can be considerable and you should be sure that you are committed to joining the Naval Service, and that you have done all you can to prepare for the selection process, before you make arrangements to travel to the UK, otherwise you could be wasting a lot of money.

    You should be warned that only around one in every eight people who apply to join the Naval Service succeed in joining.


    Security Clearance

    If you are successful in all parts of the selection process your name will be forwarded to the Defence Vetting Agency who will arrange Police, Financial and Security Checks. You must prepare for a long wait as these can take up to twelve months, depending on the time it takes for agencies in your home country to respond. You will not be allowed to join until all the checks have been completed. You will be free to return to your home country whilst your Security Clearance is being obtained; if you choose to stay in the UK then you will have to fund your own accommodation, and possibly extend your visa, but you will not be granted a work permit during this time.

    More Information

    You can find more information on all aspects of the selection procedure on the RN website at www.royalnavy.mod.uk. Should you decide to make a formal application, your Careers Adviser will inform you of the specific time scale for you to undergo the selection process.

    THE JOINING ROUTINE

    If you successfully complete the selection process, including obtaining a Security Clearance, your name will be placed on a waiting list to join the Service. When you reach the top of the waiting list you will be allocated a date to join and you will be informed of your entry date. You will then be required to travel to UK for final briefings in the week prior to entry into the Service. The Navy will pay for your travel from your port of entry into UK (e.g. Heathrow or Gatwick Airport) to your New Entry Training Establishment. You will have to pay for your own travel to the UK and for any accommodation costs that you incur prior to arriving at your New Entry Training Establishment. Details of immigration procedures are given below.

    HELP AND ADVICE

    Divisional System. Like all Naval personnel, when you join you will be allocated a Divisional Officer who will help and advise you with any problems that you may have. Your Divisional Officer will be an Officer or Senior Rate/Non-Commissioned Officer who will have a wealth of experience on Service issues such as career progression, posting, terms of service etc. If your Divisional Officer is not able to solve any problem you have they will be able to direct you to an appropriate person who can help. Your Divisional Officer will also act as a focal point for your family and, if you are under 18 years of age, they will talk to your parents if you are experiencing any difficulties.

    Naval Personal and Family Services (NPFS). In addition to your Divisional Officer, the Naval Personal and Family Services (NPFS) organisation will be able to help you if required. The NPFS has offices near to all the major Naval establishments; the contact numbers will be made available to you when you join.

    IMMIGRATION ISSUES

    Immigration. If you are joining the Royal Navy or Royal Marines from outside the United Kingdom you will be exempt from immigration control under section 8(4) of the Immigration Act 1971. This exemption will remain valid for the duration of your time in the Naval Service. Your passport will be marked accordingly to indicate to the immigration service that you are exempt. Once released from Service, for whatever reason, you will have to return to your country of origin unless you have made your own arrangements to stay with the UK Immigration Service.

    UK as long as you remain in the Naval Service.

    Visas. If you succeed in becoming a member of the Naval Service, visas will be supplied at public expense for all journeys necessary for service reasons.



    Families often arrive in the UK with Visas that only allow them to remain in UK for a 6-month period. If this is the case, when you join the Royal Navy you will need to apply to the Immigration and Nationality Directorate (IND) who deal with applications for extensions of stay.

    UK Citizenship. UK Citizenship is a matter for the IND, and being a member of the Armed Forces has no influence on the granting of UK Citizenship. The normal rules require you to be resident in UK for 5 years prior to applying for citizenship; time serving in the RN will count for this purpose. The choice whether or not to apply for UK citizenship will be entirely your own. As stated above, non-British citizens are only eligible to apply for a limited number of branches.


    FINANCE AND BENEFITS


    Benefit Payments. This will mean that you, as the serving person, will need to make all claims for Child Benefit and Tax Credits (see below).

    Financial Advice. Experience shows that families new to the United Kingdom may be vulnerable to being taken advantage of by moneylenders and local traders. It is recommended that you seek advice before entering into any financial agreements. Your Divisional Officer or the NPFS will be able to help you get free financial advice, if you require it.

    National Insurance. When you join the Navy we will help you process a request for a National Insurance Number, which you will require in order to be paid and in case you wish to claim any benefits.

    Child Benefit. It is important that claims are made as soon as your family arrives in the UK as claims will only be backdated 3 months. NPFS will also be able to help you with this.

    Tax Credit. You may be eligible for Tax Credits and other grants. NPFS will be able to give you further information about these once you join.

    Family Quarters. If you a married, you will be entitled to a Family Quarter at your place of duty once you have completed Phase 2 training.

    Food and Accommodation Charges. When you are serving at sea, or in field conditions, you will not be charged for food and accommodation. When you are serving ashore in an establishment you will pay a food and accommodation charge which will be automatically deducted from your wages. Your Careers Adviser will be able to tell you the current rate of these charges.

    DOMCOL. If, after joining the Naval Service, you continue to maintain a permanent home in your country of origin you will be allowed to register for a scheme calledDOMCOL’. This scheme allows you to accumulate part of your Annual Leave Allowance (ALA) each year over a period not exceeding 5 years in order to qualify for a visit home funded by the Navy. If you choose to register for this scheme you will have to forego some travel benefits that other Naval personnel are entitled to. If you elect not to join the scheme you will be entitled to the same travel and leave benefits offered to all personnel, which you can use to visit friends and relatives in the UK. Under the DOMCOL scheme the Navy will pay for you to travel to your country of origin once every 5 years, after serving for 5 years, provided that:

    • You came to the UK from a country other than UK in order to enter the Naval Service. (This condition is not seen as broken if you were in full time education in the UK immediately before joining the RN)
    • At the time of application for DOMCOL, your home is still in the country from which you came in order to join the Naval Service.
    • The Navy has not paid for you to travel home on leave at any time during your qualifying time for DOMCOL.
    •
    • On return from DOMCOL you should have at least 12 months to serve.

    DOMCOL Substitute. If you do not qualify for the DOMCOL Scheme, you may qualify for the DOMCOL Substitute scheme, which is simply the accumulation of leave to be used for travelling home. You may qualify for DOMCOL substitute if:

    • You have come to the UK and not joined the Naval Service immediately.
    • You would qualify for DOMCOL, except for the fact that you are married.
    • Your parents or next of kin have set up home abroad since you joined the Service.

    at your own expense.

    SUMMARY

    A career in the Naval Service can be highly rewarding and very worthwhile; it will also be challenging and demanding. The entry standards are high, and there are many difficulties to overcome before you may become a successful entrant. If you are uncertain about what to do, or if you feel you may not make the grade, do not spend your money on travel until you have taken good advice from someone who knows the real facts; preferably a Royal Navy and Royal Marines Careers Adviser.

    Good Luck!

    Edited to correct Branch Titles
     
  4. Re: overseas applicant

    As usual Ninja, a helpful and informative post. Your contributions are not only useful to potential recruits, but also help us old fogies to understand the complexities of the modern RN and recruiting.
    Keep 'em coming mate.
    Best wishes,

    2BM
     
  5. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Re: overseas applicant

    Cheers, 2BM, always happy to be a hinderence!
     
  6. Re: overseas applicant

    thanks a lot this is all very helpful. we have spoken to the overseas office in london today and if he goes to our local office in preston he can be treat as a walk in. the problem is he works on cruise ships and will be out of the country for 2 months in aug and sept. are they quite leniant with dates, for example can he arrange dates for his interview which will suit him so he doesnt have to leave his cruise ship job until he knows if he is succesful? thanks!
     
  7. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Re: overseas applicant

    The selection process can be stopped & started at any time by the applicant. All you need to do is keep in touch with the AFCO & let them know your availability dates so as they can "Line-up" all stages of the selection process to meet the dates he's avalable.

    Best of luck, hope it goes well for you.
     
  8. Re: overseas applicant

    can this not be made into one of those sticky's! Ace essay of advice there from Ninja! Found a lot of the information interesting myself, and i'm not even joining from overseas.
     
  9. Re: overseas applicant

    jonno, completely agree. Jenny-Dabber started another thread stating how informative Ninja's post was. I totally agreed with her and have asked her to make it a sticky!

    Good one Ninja-Stoker! Very informative. Pints x
     
  10. Re: overseas applicant

    Ninja,

    Whilst in the RN, are overseas entrants able to travel overseas during leave periods? or must they remain in the UK?

    Cheers mate
     
  11. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Re: overseas applicant

    Everyone is treated the same with regard overseas leave, it's worth notifying your Divisional Officer well in advance to check there are no restrictions on your intended destination and ensuring you have left a contact address & phone number which you must keep up to date if you're moving around whilst abroad.

    As with all foreign travel, you are strongly advised to book "cancellation insurance" at the same time as booking your flight in case the service cancels your leave for operational reasons and so as you do not lose out financially.

    Similarly, if the UK Foreign Office advise that travel to specific countries is not advised for safety & security reasons then the service will not let you travel whilst the warning is in force.
     
  12. Re: Non-British/CommonWealth members wishing to join the RN/

    thanks mate
     
  13. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Re: Non-British/CommonWealth members wishing to join the RN/RM

    No worries Izza,

    Only just clicked you are in the Oz Mob transferring to the Brit Mob - that's unusual mate! Most seem to do it the other way around. Jeez, have you seen the weather over here?

    Anyway, good luck to you & hope all goes well for you.
     
  14. Re: Non-British/CommonWealth members wishing to join the RN/

    Yeah mate,

    I am actually posted to HMAS CERBERUS at the moment which is the entry point for the RAN and I have all the poms coming through here, it surprises them a bit when they find out what my plans are

    My theory is, you only live once....may as well get as much in as possible!
     
  15. Re: Non-British/CommonWealth members wishing to join the RN/

    I've done exactly the same, although it was from the RNZNVR to the RNR. It's something different - going from the Kiwi VR where we have/had inshore patrol craft and are out and about, to the RNR where we don't and we aren't, but it gives you other opportunities..

    All a bit of fun, some new experiences and a challenge - although I'll probably go back within the next couple of years
     
  16. Re: Non-British/CommonWealth members wishing to join the RN/

    Ref: Overseas travel during Leave periods.

    Serving sailors on ships or home owners when ashore are entitled to warrents (travel expences) 10 or 12 times a year. However this is not the case if you live abroad. All you are entitled to is NOK in UK or the cost to travel to the airport on the UK side.

    Just warning you of this after my mate was under false impression as he was a kiwi!
     
  17. Hello All.

    First time poster on the forum. The thread has been an excellent source of information regarding overseas applicants, thank you.

    I have been looking at the Royal Navy and Royal Marines website about eligibility for becoming an Officer in the RM. It states that you have to be a British Citizen or Dual Citizen to be eligible, but that exceptional cases are sometimes considered. Is it possible for a citizen of the Republic of Ireland to apply to become an Officer in the RM or are they only limited to ratings entry? I have filled out the online application on the website and under the nationality selection it only has "British", none for "Irish", hence some of my confusion on the issue.

    The BA allow Irish citizens to apply to become Officers but it seems to be different for the RN.

    I am an Irish Citizen with a Dutch father. I also have an Irish Univeristy degree in Mechanical Engineering. Would I fit eligibility requirements?

    Thank you for your time and help on this issue
     
  18. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Hello Z9er, welcome to RR.

    I'd have to double check that one to be honest as I don't have access to the "good book" at present & I would not wish to hazard a guess in case it's incorrect.

    You could try Overseas Desk London AFCO or ring (UK) 08456 07 55 55 for a definitive answer.
     
  19. Hello Ninja-Stoker, thanks for the welcome!

    I appreciate your effort in helping me with this. I sent off the online AFCO application form on Friday to be contacted but plan to give them a ring on Monday. No harm in looking interested and eager.

    Again, thanks for your help!

    Regards

    Z99er
     
  20. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    As previously correctly stated, from the RM Website as you point out, under RM Officer eligibility tab it does indeed say:

    "Nationality

    You must be of British or dual British nationality, and have lived in the UK for five years."


    There have been glitches on the the RN/RM websites previously, hence my reluctance to give you incorrect advice. There is an possibly an issue with regard residency & Nationality for RM Officer applicants, or this may be an error of fact, however the best bet it to seek definitive, rather than anecdotal advice.
     

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