Aircraft Controller FAA and such

[CrazedVilla]

Hi all!

I’ve applied to be an aircraft controller, passed my exam and I’m waiting for an interview...

I’ve always had an interest in aviation but didn’t want to go into the RAF Much prefer to be at sea than sat in Cyprus... just wanted to see how the role progresses, I can’t see me being put straight onto the new Carriers, so how does the progression work? Is there a lot of land based work or is it just random based on ability whether new or old?

Also I’ve heard the air stations are nicer than Devonport for example is this true?

Anything relevant that I should know is appreciated

Thanks

 

[Waspie]

Ref air stations being 'nicer' than Devonport - yes!!!!
'Nicer' do people still say nicer?
As for the trade info, you'll have to wait for an answer on that I fear.

 

[CrazedVilla]

yeah ‘nicer’ I’ve been told not to expect a Hilton which is pretty obvious... I’ve driven past Devonport and all I could see was a big wall... to be honest I’m not to bothered about how accommodations would be because it’s relatively cheap

 

[Waspie]

Unless things have changed, Devonport, you will be either sleeping/living on board your ship, or, living in HMS Drake, the land based establishment. Maybe a Guzzite will answer that better than I.
All establishments accommodation are what you make them, friends, bar, shore life -blah, blah!!!!
Good luck in your endeavours.

 

[crash_evans]

I am the Divisional Officer for the current Direct Entry Leading Aircraft Controller course (which is undergoing a massive change, partly due to such a high failure rate). When I am back in office, I will get some bits together and post them up.


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[CrazedVilla]

Thanks Crash... what’s the failure rate at the moment? I’ve been told by my recruiter and have seen that it’s hard to get into even if you smash the entrance exam

 

[crash_evans]

I have asked the RNSAC (Royal Navy School of Aircraft Control) to let me know the new layout of the course and that will probably be over the next few days.

With regards to the failure rate, course usually start with 6 or 7 and by the end there is usually 1 or 2 that get out the other side as a qualified LAC.

Usually the issues are, inability to handle the stress of tactical control of aircraft during multi-threat scenarios in the simulators here in CWD. Another high attrition reason is that they simply aren’t quite ready to be a Leading Hand this soon into their career (within 12-18 months).


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[CrazedVilla]

Thanks Crash!
I was told in the recruitment office that it’s one of the hardest jobs to get in the Navy.. as it has extra medicals and for the reasons you’ve said, mainly people can’t deal with the stress!
Would a leading hand having any much different responsibilities to an able?

 

[crash_evans]

Lots! In my opinion, it’s the hardest rate in the RN. The only option you have as an AC is as a Leading Hand. Hence, the pass rate. It’s on everything, not just academically or personally.


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[BreathingOutOnTheWayUp]

@CRASH-evans - Out of interest what happens to those who fail this course - Offered other roles or return kit & a free ticket home?

 

[crash_evans]

At present, they are sent to a board at Yeovilton. They then decide their fate. There are a few outcomes I have personally seen:

Retained and training extended into the next course (if there is space, there are only 2-3 courses per training year).

Offered branch TX to other branches, based on ET score and suitability.

Discharged.

There is another option that previously wasn’t available (I’m checking the finer details on how this training pipeline would work), that is to send them to sea as a HCNT (Helicopter Controller under Naval Training). We used to do this training as UW’s on T42 , PO (R) used to also do this course. It allows those who aren’t quite ready and who need some more controlling experience to (under a qualified controller) build up their SQEP.


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[War1999]

At present, they are sent to a board at Yeovilton. They then decide their fate. There are a few outcomes I have personally seen:

Retained and training extended into the next course (if there is space, there are only 2-3 courses per training year).

Offered branch TX to other branches, based on ET score and suitability.

Discharged.

There is another option that previously wasn’t available (I’m checking the finer details on how this training pipeline would work), that is to send them to sea as a HCNT (Helicopter Controller under Naval Training). We used to do this training as UW’s on T42 , PO (R) used to also do this course. It allows those who aren’t quite ready and who need some more controlling experience to (under a qualified controller) build up their SQEP.


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Hello crash,

thank you for the depth about RNAS!

I have also applied to become an Aircraft controller.

What sort of advice would you give to someone like me before joining? How should someone :Like me prepare? Buy books or look for videos?

I attempted to find more about the roles and responsibilities about AC but the only places i can find them are at the RN website (brief information), blogs like this or forums which may be outdated. In terms of lessons and and learning outcomes, i understand the course itself is 14 weeks long, apart from the simulator, what are the main learning outcomes during the course?

Sorry for asking all those questions, i thought asking would make me a fool for 5 minutes rather than a fool for life. If there is any useful learning resources or any other useful information, please let me know.

thank you,

John