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AIB waiting time

Waspie

War Hero
But the absurd wait times being a "test" only makes sense if the trait you desire most above anything else in an officer is patience. If you're looking for anything else you know small things like, talent, ability, intelligence, temperament, knowledge or literally anything else then making applicants wait years is reducing your talent pool. Nelson isn't famous for his ability to sit on his arse for two years while the navy sorted out their application process and found him a place at the AIB is he?
'Reducing your talent pool'. I don't think there has been, nor will be a shortage of volunteers. Maybe some who don't mind waiting either. You step aside and someone will surely fill the space you left.
You cannot equate Nelson Navy to todays.
Nelson - a cosh on the back of the head and your in assuming you have all your limbs pre coshing. Officers withstanding of course. A simple private income got you a commission.
Today. As your finding. A long sift process with your educational certificates and degrees.
Nelsons Navy it is not!!
 

Lovablesnowman

Midshipman
'Reducing your talent pool'. I don't think there has been, nor will be a shortage of volunteers. Maybe some who don't mind waiting either. You step aside and someone will surely fill the space you left.
You cannot equate Nelson Navy to todays.
Nelson - a cosh on the back of the head and your in assuming you have all your limbs pre coshing. Officers withstanding of course. A simple private income got you a commission.
Today. As your finding. A long sift process with your educational certificates and degrees.
Nelsons Navy it is not!!

Yeah we're just going in circles. I think the navy should go for the best applicants and that means actually having an attractive application process. You're happy with the current quality and quantity of recruits. We're not going to agree here

On a side note if the navy went the way of the army with it constantly missing it's own recruitment targets then would you concede I'm correct or would you stick to the "if people aren't willing to wait years to get in someone else will" attitude? Genuine question
 

Waspie

War Hero
Yeah we're just going in circles. I think the navy should go for the best applicants and that means actually having an attractive application process. You're happy with the current quality and quantity of recruits. We're not going to agree here

On a side note if the navy went the way of the army with it constantly missing it's own recruitment targets then would you concede I'm correct or would you stick to the "if people aren't willing to wait years to get in someone else will" attitude? Genuine question
Firstly, I have nothing to agree or disagree with! I left some 25+ years ago. As for the quality of the recruits. They are a different breed today. More advanced, more technical than my day. I flew in a single engined helicopter, they are no comparison to the Wildcats and Merlins of today.

I would have to stick to 'if people aren't willing to wait years to get in someone else will'. You are the exception to the rule on this. From folk posting on here and people I already know. Which is not a bad thing. It's what makes us unique. Different opinions.

This site is used in my opinion, by two types of person. Like you, folk who want information about the Navy. Then there are folk like me, ex RN. Were in and find it a source of banter. Offering advice, good, bad or sarcastic!! As long as folk realise this site is not the official gospel according to the Royal Navy!!!!
 

Zoidberg

War Hero
On a side note if the navy went the way of the army with it constantly missing it's own recruitment targets then would you concede I'm correct or would you stick to the "if people aren't willing to wait years to get in someone else will" attitude? Genuine question

The falling short of targets isn't really anything to do with casting a net.

It's more to do with a changing culture in the world and either an unwillingness or inability to change the way the army works.

I can't remember where I read or heard this but I recently heard of a matelot saying he would 'miss snapchat' whilst deployed. We can get internet access, albeit limited, on a ship.

The army cant exactly take those facilities out into the field for everybody to use. It sounds stupid, but it really is little things like that. When I was in Raleigh I was receiving letters. I dont think iPhones had been out too long then.

Now contact is instant and being away is getting harder and harder for people to deal with.

We're set up to recruit who we need. The most efficient change right now would be to reduce the number of people leaving positions that are short so the recruiting pipeline can catch up.

We might be losing a good applicant with the waiting time but we could lose them at any stage for any reason. I'd rather have someone average who wants to be there than someone awesome who's planning their next move.

Most civilian companies (yes, some do) don't sign you on for 4-5 years and send you to nasty places. Maybe the recruitment process is that long to make sure candidates have enough time to consider their options.
 

Waspie

War Hero
The Navy does some strange things at times.
There was a time when it got rid of a lot of experienced senior ranks. Then, too late of course, realised that the experience had gone.
No problem! Just promote from below. Yeah, it got the numbers but it still lacked the experience.
The higher ups never thought that one through at all.
Took years as I recall to get the knowledge base back to where at had been.
As my granddaughter would say. "silly old navy".
 

SeaBiscuit

Badgeman
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The falling short of targets isn't really anything to do with casting a net.

It's more to do with a changing culture in the world and either an unwillingness or inability to change the way the army works.

I can't remember where I read or heard this but I recently heard of a matelot saying he would 'miss snapchat' whilst deployed. We can get internet access, albeit limited, on a ship.

The army cant exactly take those facilities out into the field for everybody to use. It sounds stupid, but it really is little things like that. When I was in Raleigh I was receiving letters. I dont think iPhones had been out too long then.

Now contact is instant and being away is getting harder and harder for people to deal with.

We're set up to recruit who we need. The most efficient change right now would be to reduce the number of people leaving positions that are short so the recruiting pipeline can catch up.

We might be losing a good applicant with the waiting time but we could lose them at any stage for any reason. I'd rather have someone average who wants to be there than someone awesome who's planning their next move.

Most civilian companies (yes, some do) don't sign you on for 4-5 years and send you to nasty places. Maybe the recruitment process is that long to make sure candidates have enough time to consider their options.
"We're set up to recruit who we need. The most efficient change right now would be to reduce the number of people leaving positions that are short so the recruiting pipeline can catch up."

Exactly this.

The recruiting pipeline is insane right now, applications up by a third, Raleigh and Dartmouth at max cap, and no core of experienced seniors to coach them once in the fleet.
 

Brown144

Newbie
I notice that people are talking about officer applications for certain branches being oversubscribed. Is this the case for Weapon Engineering Officer?
 
I notice that people are talking about officer applications for certain branches being oversubscribed. Is this the case for Weapon Engineering Officer?
I got an email form the AFCO with a list of the over subscribed branches they where pausing applications for. It is as follows:
Pilot, TMO, Logistical Officer, RMO, Warfare Officer (HM), ATC, Air Engineering Officer and Warfare(INT)
 
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