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  1. hi guys, i passed my interview today for AET. I have two questions, one regarding the length of my contract. Does the two and a half years that one must serve after training before giving notice start after you finish at HMS sultan or after you have finished consolidation with your squadron?
    The second one is, I have applied to study aerospace engineering at university starting next September as a backup plan. I would probably do this anyway after leaving the navy if I did join, but Im unsure as to whether proceeding with a degree or delaying it until Ive had practical aeronautical engineering experience is the best thing to do.
    Sorry about the long post! Id really appreciate some sincere advice if possible. Thanks. :nemo:

  2. Do the degree first. it's an aeronautical degree so should hold you in good stead for joining the RN as an air engineering officer on completion.
    If you have the ability to complete a technical degree then you will (in my opinion) regret joining as an AET later.
    DO THE DEGREE, yes I am shouting. :thumright:
  3. Slim, thanks very much for your reply! I didnt want to mention the uni thing to my careers advisor as I thought it would be unwise, as Id like a neutral opinion!
    So the practical element of being an AET would not really help with an aerospace engineering degree?
    I guess that, if I did study the degree, it would open up a lot of doors (including non navy, developing new aircraft and spacecraft) kind of doors
  4. I believe your 2.5 years starts after you complete your QM/QS (At the RNAS, Culdrose etc) and after you consolidation -which is 6 months to 1 year.
  5. The degree in your case would be preferable to being an AET.
    Life in the wardroom is far superior to that in a junior rates messdeck. Your social position is far better as an occifer and also your pay as an occifer with degree is far better.
    Do the degree, try not to get into debt, difficult but it can be done. try working behind the bar instead of in front of it. Bar work is fun and you save a fortune. What you earn will pay for your nights.
    If the uni is near enough to home to commute, then do it, you will save a mint. I know that you will miss out on some of the fun but once or twice a week you can go on the piss and doss down on a mates couch.
    Whatever you do, best of luck
  6. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    As a Careers Adviser, the unbiased, neutral advice, is double your starting income from £13,013 as an AET to £28,216 as a graduate entry Air Engineering Officer.

    Three ways to look at it, your hypothetical triplets take option one, you opt for option two or three.

    1. Start on £13,013, rising to over £16K in 6 months as a rating. Earn £45-£50K over the next 3 years training as a "hands-on" technician, with 3 years hands-on experience, seniority & if qualified for non-grad officer (5 GCSE's including Maths & English A*-C) with a sufficiently high AIB pass, get sent to University whilst the RN pays you a wage to attend Uni & gain your Degree.

    2. If educationally qualified to join as an officer, (5 GCSE's including Maths & English A*-C plus 180 UCAS points at A2 Level) gain a high AIB pass for University Cadet Entry. Start BRNC, serve 12 months, get taught to be a manager, then get paid as an Officer to attend Uni, but earn around £50-£60K whilst attending uni, earn 4 years seniority.

    3. Go to uni off your own back, earn £15-£20K debt, pass AIB at the end of it (or not), start on £28,216 as a direct entry graduate officer with no management or hands on experience.
  7. I see what you mean. I think I will go to uni if I am accepted, the good thing is I would get an unconditional offer as I have finished my quals. I think it would be wasteful of me to enter as an AET when I could have done so after my GCSEs without working my arse off for two further years.
  8. Given these three options my advice would be to try for option 2 first. Join as an occifer and let the RN pay for your degree.

    Second string would be option 3, go get non Micky Mouse degree.

    Option 1 is OK but it is far more difficult to get access to the wardroom as a rating than as a civilian. Unless of course you join as a steward :w00t:
  9. I think I may go to uni off my own back. Im planning on doing an Meng degree (4 years) and, being young and all, may decide that I want to go and work for the European Space Agency instead of the RN. I understand that AEOs are (obviously),more management orientated, rather than being in charge of or part of a team that develops new aircraft or spacecraft. I think I may need the benefit of four years at uni to decide which avenue I would be best suited to follow.
  10. I think that unless you are in design or development most degree engineers drive a desk. We did have a field engineer when I was at British Aerospace with a maths degree. This was very unusual, he was a wizard at aligning weapon systems using theodolites and a fantastic engineer. We also had a degree engineer (mechanical) working as a field engineer when I was in the tobacco engineer. Unfortunately his degree did not reach his hands and he was, should we say lacking in mechanical skills. He was however good company and good to work with, this mattered more than his ability to the engineers that he lived and worked with. :thumright:
  11. IB08
    One entry method that NS didn't mention is a £4K - £5.5K a year bursary if you don't get a high enough score for UCE. UCEs are few and far between these days, but a bursary is readily available. If you study at Southampton, Loughborough, Aston, Birmingham, Newcastle or Northumbria Universities you will be eligible for £5.5K. Study engineering at any other uni and it's £4K.
    The service requirement is BEng. About 40% of our bursars get selected for MEng - that's an academic recommendation, not a military decision. With a BEng, you are guaranteed a job starting on £28216, rising to at least £35K after 2 years. Top end Lt pay this year is £43002. All our training is accredited by the major engineering institutes so IEng/CEng is generally by return of post once you pass your C of C.
    You could go to uni, study and get a degree dipping into the bank of Mum & Dad and qualify for a £12K joining bonus as well. The bursary is tax free, the joining bonus isn't.
    I'll PM you my number if you want to chat. NS works in an AFCO, I am one of 2 Engineer Officer Recruiters.
  12. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    A very good point, forgot to mention that one.

    Another one worthy of mention, dependent on age, is Welbeck College (potential Engineers only) where you can undergo a residential military 6th form college, providing you have the pre-requisite GCSEs and are able to pass the AIB aged 15-17.
  13. Cheers NS
    Forgot that one too.
    I think between us we've covered all the avenues.
  14. Slim, Id love to be in design or development, thats part of the reason why I am looking to study a Meng degree (as it offers the opportunity to specialise). Im applying to courses which are 4 years long and one includes study in Europe. Drunken engineer, Ill see which unis (if any) offer me a place first before making a final decision.
    Ninja I am 19 so the Welbeck College isnt an option. However I will hopefully get unconditional offers as Ive already done my quals.
  15. Good luck. Remember - it beats working for a living.....
  16. Thanks DE, Ill let you guys know whats happening when I know more myself LOL! In the meantime, Ive got my eyetest for AET tomorrow, just in case.
  17. Did my eye test the other day as i needed to get it done before my interview. D&A were very professional, spent about 30 mins checking both my eyes.

    Was funny, they kept blowing the puffs of air into my eyes, then telling me not to blink, so i told them not to blow air in my eyes because its making be blink!


    All good. Got my interview for AET next week.
  18. Theaaronp, I didnt know it was ever done that way round (int after medical). In my interview I was only asked where I oculd be based, and what type of aircraft the navy fly. I mentioned JSF as future aircraft. Alot of the knowledge section is based on what you know about your contract and training pipeline. Im sure youll breeze through it!
  19. Cheers fella. Will let you know, stay in touch and let me know when you get your in date :)
  20. I will! Ill pm you when I actually get my date, it sounds like we might get a similar one judging by how far along we are in the process.

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