Advice?

Foolooply

Newbie
Hi!

I'm new here, but just wanted a little advice on potential roles. I initially applied to be a Biomed student, and passed the RT for it, however the University declined my entry, so I'm stuck between choosing another role. I'm pretty interested in MT or CT, and passed for MT but not for CT. It was just to see if there is anyone who can give advice on either role - I'm stuck as I like the idea of getting my hands dirty and stuck in, but also want to push myself mentally, in a bit of a dilemma - are the waiting lists for one much longer than others, or is one more prone to travel, etc? I'd really like to join as the idea of being stuck in an office doing something mundane is really not something that appeals to me at all, I just want to find the right role (This is all providing I pass the Medical etc.). So yeah, any tips?

Thanks!
 

Chalk_bosun

Lantern Swinger
If you don't mind me asking, what were the university's grounds for declining entry? Is this something that can be appealed/salvaged?

Sometimes people retake their RTs but equally there are many other interesting roles in the RN that may appeal to you with your RT score. Either way, have a chat with your AFCO to discuss your options from here. They are your best source of information and guidance. They can advise on where you stand RE Med Tech, feasibility of resitting RT or other options.

All the best of luck.
 

Chalk_bosun

Lantern Swinger
Just as an addition to the above and depending on your A-levels/equivalent, it might be an option to study for a degree in biomedical science elsewhere (I.e. as a civilian) and join the RN/RNR at a later stage as a professionally qualified Med Tech, when you are graduated/HPC registered and all that good stuff. In the meantime, while you are at university, you could be gaining valuable experience and keeping your links/interest with the RN by joining the reserves (RNR), the commitment for which is 24 days a year (mostly made up of drill evenings, weekends and 5-10 day courses). Very compatible with uni life as many currently serving personnel can attest.

Obviously it's up to you, but if you're truly passionate about biomed and are unable to join the navy-sponsored degree then this is definitely worth considering as an option. Still speak to your AFCO.
 

Foolooply

Newbie
Not at all!
It was that I haven't got the required a-levels, but as I'm finishing a degree in a biological science, I thought it would be okay - no love lost though. And I apologise, I got the acronyms wrong - I meant the Marine Engineering Technician role, not med :oops:. They've said it just depends on what I want, and I think that's what I'm having most trouble with - I like the idea of having the job satisfaction of ME and the hands-on-ness, but then CT must be pretty intense and that would also be pretty cool.
Just a bit stuck :confused:
Thanks for the advice!
 

Chalk_bosun

Lantern Swinger
Marine Engineering - you'll see this abbreviated ETME. I believe you can specialise in electrical or mechanical/propulsion. A great role and it'll set you up with all sorts of civvy-accredited quals.

Have you considered Weapons Engineering (ETWE)? Not sure what the required RT score is for this.

I have to admit my knowledge of CT is fairly basic.

If you haven't read all the stuff on the RN website then do that first. Also use the search function on this forum to find past threads on ETME or CT - there are plenty around. It should give you some idea who has done these roles as well, so you can ask questions.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Rather annoyingly the ucas requirement for Student BioMed Scientist was recently increased (by the university, not the Navy) but if you have a recognised accredited biomedical science degree, membership of HCPC and are registered as a Biomedical Scientist in Haematology, Biochemistry, Blood Transfusion or Microbiology have you considered joining as a direct entry BioMed Scientist?

Failing that, Comms Tech and ET(ME) are quite different. Comms Techs don't fix stuff and aren't engineers, they process and interpret intelligence data from various sources, some analyse it, some acquire it. Languages, although not essential are often useful.

If you have 5 GCSEs (inc maths, science & English) 160 ucas points, and at least 120 ucas points from STEM subject A Levels, the the Accelerated Apprentice scheme (Air, Weapons or Marine Engineering) is worth looking at - starting pay £31,100. It's probably one of the best job offers we have at present. Another one worth looking at, if you fancy doing an engineering degree whilst getting paid a wage and serving on submarines, it the ME or WE UnderGraduate Apprentice Scheme (UGAS).

As stated, loads of info on here regarding the jobs themselves and what people think of them or on the RN website with regard eligibility/entry requirements: http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/engineers/apprenticeships

Good luck, by all means fire away if you have specific queries (it's me job ;) )
 

Chalk_bosun

Lantern Swinger
Just asking on OP's behalf (and partly to satiate my own curiosity) as the accelerated apprenticeship seems a fantastic opportunity.

A NQF Level 3 Diploma (120 credit) in Engineering, Electrical/Electronic Engineering, with a minimum grade of ‘Merit’
This is what the site says for the accelerated apprenticeship - but @Ninja_Stoker are you suggesting they'll take any STEM A-levels in lieu of this? Alternatively do you suppose they would accept OP's biosciences degree, a NQF level 6 STEM qualification..?

Also I couldn't seem to glean any info about how the "accelerated" pipeline actually differs from general entry. What's the gen?
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Rum ration is not your job LOL
Whilst not specifically named, my terms of reference include using officially sponsored and unofficial social media websites to offer careers advice, engage with enquirers and convert them into applicants.

The fact is my official social media engagement persona on the service sponsored sites comes under a corporate moniker, on here and other sites I am still employed to give careers guidance and advice - far rather we get the right information on an unofficial fora than allow well-intentioned but duff, unfettered info to go unchecked and potentially cause reputational damage, shattered dreams and unnecessary angst.

The interesting thing about officially giving careers advice on unofficial social media platforms is that "truer" questions get asked because few people want to ask about recreational drugs use or criminal convictions on official sites, for example. The answer's still the same but the manner in which it is delivered is less formal.

Hell, I'm even permitted to swear on unofficial sites. Poo. See? LOL :)
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Just asking on OP's behalf (and partly to satiate my own curiosity) as the accelerated apprenticeship seems a fantastic opportunity.

This is what the site says for the accelerated apprenticeship - but @Ninja_Stoker are you suggesting they'll take any STEM A-levels in lieu of this? Alternatively do you suppose they would accept OP's biosciences degree, a NQF level 6 STEM qualification..?

Also I couldn't seem to glean any info about how the "accelerated" pipeline actually differs from general entry. What's the gen?
It has to be a maths/physics/engineering type of stem subject so far as I'm aware but it is certainly worth an ask via the AFCO who will forward copies of the subjects to Cdr E for appraisal. My gut feeling for bio med science is it maybe a "no" but I certainly would encourage the question to be asked.

Applicants on the accelerated apprentice scheme are rated killick in approximately 24 months as they become trained strength upon successful completion of LETQC & LRLC and undergo an appraisal of their leadership potential on the PRNC to ensure they are viable candidates. Unsuccessful applicants will be offered standard entry as AET or ET(ME) or ET(WE).
 

Trainer

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Whilst not specifically named, my terms of reference include using officially sponsored and unofficial social media websites to offer careers advice, engage with enquirers and convert them into applicants.

The fact is my official social media engagement persona on the service sponsored sites comes under a corporate moniker, on here and other sites I am still employed to give careers guidance and advice - far rather we get the right information on an unofficial fora than allow well-intentioned but duff, unfettered info to go unchecked and potentially cause reputational damage, shattered dreams and unnecessary angst.

The interesting thing about officially giving careers advice on unofficial social media platforms is that "truer" questions get asked because few people want to ask about recreational drugs use or criminal convictions on official sites, for example. The answer's still the same but the manner in which it is delivered is less formal.

Hell, I'm even permitted to swear on unofficial sites. Poo. See? LOL :)
I did 'Bullshit' you, and then 'un-bullshitted' you LOL
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
I did 'Bullshit' you, and then 'un-bullshitted' you LOL
Not sure then? :)

Happy to PM TORs, if I can find the bloody things. To be honest, it's quite forward-thinking and an innovative method of dancing within the Armed Forces policy on social media engagement and complying with the quite rigorous security aspects. It makes for a more instantaneous low-key form of engagement and doesn't need an Admiral to dot the t's or cross the i's although if I get it wrong, I know about it pretty sharpish. ;)

Trust me, I know the ROE pretty much inside out.

The interesting thing about officially giving careers advice on unofficial social media platforms is that "truer" questions get asked because few people want to ask about recreational drugs use or criminal convictions on official sites, for example. The answer's still the same but the manner in which it is delivered is less formal.
As if by magic, a man appeared. Note the timing of the post: https://www.royalmarines.uk/threads/girlfriend-and-drugs.99586/#post-605834
 

Trainer

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Not sure then? :)

Happy to PM TORs, if I can find the bloody things. To be honest, it's quite forward-thinking and an innovative method of dancing within the Armed Forces policy on social media engagement and complying with the quite rigorous security aspects. It makes for a more instantaneous low-key form of engagement and doesn't need an Admiral to dot the t's or cross the i's although if I get it wrong, I know about it pretty sharpish. ;)

Trust me, I know the ROE pretty much inside out.


As if by magic, a man appeared. Note the timing of the post: https://www.royalmarines.uk/threads/girlfriend-and-drugs.99586/#post-605834
Oh no, let's not get started on RoE again this week. By the way, I did ask my mate what it felt like when the Exocet arrived. His response was rather predictable....
 

Foolooply

Newbie
Thanks again!
I think I'm looking for whichever is more exciting out of the two/whichever one would take up more time :confused: I know I work better under pressure and like to have a lot to do. I understand from the threads it's hard to really grasp much about CT due to it's nature, but with ET(ME) is there a lot to do all the time, is there the chance to excel in part of the job (more than just the plumbing, say), that's also applicable to civvy life (in the future?). Is there a chance to take it to the next level in engineering in designing stuff, or at least the opportunity to do that as well - to challenge yourself really?
Also considered ET(WE), I believe I passed for anything in engineering (I think it was just CT I failed for), but kind of prefer the mechanics stuff. I don't think I'd be eligible for the apprenticeship as I'm 23, and also don't have STEM A-levels (its a long story, but I'm doing the degree from getting to uni from a more convoluted path). It's in Ecology, so really niche and nothing to really do with what I want to do here.
I just know I need to challenge myself. I'm a bit nervous to say this to my AFCO though because it really shows how confused I am :confused:

Apologies for all of this! And Thanks!
 
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Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
To be honest, although engineering officers may become involved in research and development, most design stuff is left to contracted companies. The Navy may well determine something needs designing to certain specifications to meet a specific need, but apart from 'in service' suggestion schemes, there isn't a great deal of scope to use creativity and design bits of kit from within the service.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Is it more of a routine role then?
Over time, the terminology used evolves, but essentially the day to day life of an ET(ME) and indeed all branches, follows a routine. That said, by the nature of the kit you maintain, things that move frequently wear out, sometimes quite spectacularly. On gas turbine propulsion ships for example, it it not unheard of for an engine to throw a blade and send the guts of the engine up through the funnel. Likewise in the action state, the aim is usually to keep the ship fighting by giving command the power to use the weapons and push the ship through the water, regardless of incoming damage. Likewise, the ship needs to be kept afloat. In action, something you could well experience for real, the job is far from mundane or routine.
 
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