Advice needed for a trainee submariner

Discussion in 'Submariners' started by NorthernSub, Jul 27, 2007.

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  1. Hello,

    I will be starting at Raleigh on the 25th November as I embark on my new career as a Warfare Specialist (Submariner). Althought this is 17 weeks away, i'm getting really excited about the thought of joining the Silent Service.

    However, although I am doing as much as I can in terms of research and preparation, I was wondering if anyone in this forum had any feedback they could give me about the training and life generally in the Subs from their own personal experiences.

    Anything helpful and constructive people can offer would be greatly appreciated.

    Thank you all
     
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  3. practice returning onboard at 0230 hrs pissed as a newt and awakening as many sleeping mates as possible and ask them if they want to buy a battleship, oh the camariderie of yesteryear.
     
  4. Perhaps changing your avatar as your havn't earn't them yet?!
     
  5. I would suggest looking at the many other posts and glean some info. As a WS you will be streamed either sonar or tactical when you come into Phase Two, which incidentally is in Raleigh.

    So, the pipeline is currently...

    Phase One, then you start Phase two...which in your case consists of the following..

    Submarine escape tank, gun course, firefighting (those three are not necessarily in that order), then career course, then SMQ dry, the SMQ wet.

    Sometimes the pipeline is switched around to cater for medical issues, failures, training delays, high flyers etc - so Phase two, although is a set pipeline, can be tailored for the individual dependant upon that persons problems/issues etc. Does this make sense?

    Oh and by the way - you may well be doing nine weeks in Phase One...as opposed to eight as Phase One is being extended. Above all - enjoy. It's a kind of game. There's a set of rules, stick to them and you will will sail through. Deviate and you will be caught out!! Looking forward to meeting you!!
     
  6. Advice?? Grow a thick skin (to handle the banter) and learn to hold your breath for incredibly long periods of time (so as not to interfere with downing pints).

    SF
     
  7. Never progress from the age of 17 mentally for your runs ashore,but age properly when doing your job !!
     
  8. Start to learn the correct terminology

    The Navy has Submarines also known as Boats

    Expensive sandwich shops in city centres have Subs a bread roll with edible filling.

    Go here for a list of submariners slang

    slang

    Nutty
     
  9. Nutty...you beat me to it.
    "SUBS"............the term makes me want to shrug my skin off!
    It's usually used by wannabees to boost street cred' and very very seldom by the guys who crew the black pigs. Any qualified blokes who do use he expression should know better and have not been taught properly (not enough kicks ***********). CL*S*D is the other word....I still can't bring myself to type it when refering to SUBMARINES!
    Do the instructors still dish out punishment for transgressions I wonder?
    Basics course for me was a nightmare because of the information overload.....which continued until suddenly it all made sense. Just like Chief R Mech Andy Raines said it would. I wonder where he is now. By the time the sonar course came around it was a dawdle....and the rest is geography! :cya:
     
  10. With reference to SELJUK and his comment regarding the word CL*S*D, I remember a Middy we had onboard for sea training on Cachalot way back in the 60's. He'd already learned that the "C" word was banned, and things were either "Open" or "Shut".
    You can imagine the crews delight when the Boss ordered him to close up the attack team, and he piped "Attack team shut up"!
     
  11. When you do your smq - dont gob off, listen to what you are told, ask about everything.
    Show interest when being shown around systems but dont simply go and ask for a walkaround of the system - take a look at it yourself and try to learn it first. One thing i hate is when im asked for help but the person in question wants me to do all the work for them.
    Dont bullshit - if you dont know say so, it might make you feel bad but believe me nothing is worse when the crew have you marked down as a waste of time who thinks they know it all.
    I had an smq go to the OA to get the wrd sytem signed off (it will become clearer one day) straight after i had shown him round. The OA asked a question and he replied "he never showed me that". Unlucky for him as i was stood right behind at that point (he didnt know i was there and i had shown him). Needles to say that kind of action doesnt make anybody want to help again in the future.
    Dont take it personally if you have just had three sytems signed off in 1 day and you go to your sea dad all excited and he then says "is that all - time for one more then"
    Dont take it personally when you are not allowed in the mess - its so you work harder to complete.
    Try and do the harder systems first (hpa, hydraulics etc) - that way it gets easier as time goes on.
    Remember their are assholes in every job, you will meet some on boats - especially those who use walkarounds as a chance to show just how much THEY know, while trying to make you look small.
    If you ask for a walk around and get knocked back its not because we have no time for you - we are probably doing maintenance or other tasks, just come back again when its slowed down.
    you can probably get most things done after secure and most people have left.
    Always remember that although you may not notice the crew (yes everybody) will be watching you, talking about how you are getting on, what level of interest you are showing. This can have a big effect on how you are treated, peoples willingness to help and the attitude of your section towards you in watchkeeping.
    Most of all keep a sense of humour and keep smiling, dont let it get you down.
     
  12. Second everything momo said. There's nothing worse than a trainee who hasn't actually put any work into tracing a system and expects you to walk them through it. A little effort on your part will mean you get a lot more from those around you.

    Also, along the same lines as skyvets dit. We had a particularly dense RO who finally got to grips with the whole shut thing, then one evening piped "5 mins to colours, ratings detailed shut up".
     
  13. In regards to thick skin, stand by to be pinged at every opportunity, cause once a crack is found it gets remorseless.....its hazing at it's finest, reason being the crew (qualified hands) would rather see you crack sooner rather the later (say at 500ft or thereabouts).

    Not sure if it's done this way in your system, I know the old Diesel training regimes (official and unofficial could be stressful)

    It's for your own good as well as ours, you get to find out real soon whether or not you have the balls to hang with boatmen or if the targets are your realm, in which case it's a win win situation...you go merrily your way and we go on knowing we don't have a head case to worry about.

    And basically ditto momo's post. :thumright:
     
  14. Almost makes me want to sign up ... but then again ...

    SF
     
  15. The whole part three thing is designed for maximum effort by the trainee and minimum effort by the crew (who have more than enough to do anyway). The more the crew see that a part three or non qual wants to get stuck in the more the crew responds in kind.
    If you get turfed out of your rack to get on with your part three by your sea dad then get on with your part three qualification. If you whinge and whine and want sympathy get old of a dictionary and you'll find it between shit and syphilis.
    If you see baby sailors younger than yourself with Dolphins it's because they've qualified and are allowed to sit in the mess for a cuppa when stood down on watch (if not scrubbing out......THAT NEVER SEEMS TO GO AWAY) and they are also allowed to watch movies in the mess off watch. Me! I never did watch movies.....rack time was far more important...the trip goes quicker!
    You will be blessed with middle watches alongside...the qualified lads will get the easier hours, you will be busy during those, tracing systems. Try and find a valve nobody has ever heard off. It will impress the outside stokers at least, of course they won't like you for it because the Wrecker will then want to know why they were lacking in their knowledge in the first place.
    If asked "how many true flow valves there are forward" answer "lots" and then go and find them all. Find all of them and you will be amazed at how many other things loom into view that the TAB said was there but were hidden by countless other valves.
    If a vacuum test is about to be done and they're going to pipe leave and you aren't duty then stay onboard and double bank the duty stoker or greenie. More will be learnt this way than spending hours with your nose in a TAB. The same goes for tagging out for divers.
    It's going to be hard work all the way.....it's up to you entirely how much and for how long. If somebody, anybody, says to you something like "at what angle plus or minus does the trim pump trip out at" it's because they know and if you don't but should then your next action should be to find out. You have to know these things because it's called system knowledge and it must be second nature. The more you know the more you find out..... if it's not a way of life it's a pain in the rear!
    learn to switch on the moment your eyes open and DON'T BE A DRAG ARSE! Keep gob shut and eyes wide open. Ask questions....but not smart arse questions. The crew can be very cruel if they want to cut you down to size. Enjoy it, you are never going to be involved in any thing like it again in your life!
     
  16. You mean "earned" don't you. There is no such word as "earn't" for crying out loud. Did NAMET teach you nothing? Did she die in vain?
     
  17. Does it matter? Or are you going to give personal Instruction? If you can`t understand what has been said then the fault lies with you.
     
  18. Reading all this info makes me wonder how the hell I got my Dolphins !!

    But if you are prepared to put the effort in the people are prepared to help you,just make sure you ask the right person at the right time .
     
  19. I don't know but I did my qualifying on the Porpoise, my training really mainly information gathering was done in my own time. I kept normal watches and for all intents and purposes was a part of the crew. I did mainly seamans and electrical watches. My qualifying was mainly oral of 5 hours for three days, blowing my own trumpet, my examiner was the electrical officer who later became electrical officer for all S/Ms, I passed with flying colours. Now this is my point at no time was I or any other un qualified person barred from the mess, this applied on every boat that I was on, S boats, A boats and P and O boats is this some American thing that we have imported ? It does not give a good impression of the comradeship between sludgemachiners, even if it is only for half an hour. When you joined a boat you were part of the crew, you were entitled to use the mess like everyone else during social periods, your pit was yours (unless you were hot bunking). Even with the 'Tea swindle' you were a fully paid up member.
     
  20. When I first joined boats I wasn't allowed in the mess until I passed my part 3, by the time I left the sprogs were able to use all the mess facilities including watching movies, but those who I saw spending too much time in the mess and not enough time learning systems had a far harder time from me when they came for their walk rounds, and all the part 3's/BSQ had to see me for periscopes/fwd WE/int comms and hydroplanes and steering.
    My point being, if you didn't put the effort in then then I, as well everyone else who signed the BSQ, would make sure you had a lot tougher than those who put the time and effort in.
     

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