A buddy and I were discussing "Jack" films today and one of the questions that came up was, "What was the AWD during before, during and after WW2. When were No 8s introduced"?
It is what it is, PCS is basically MTP in blue. No doubt your predecessors thought you looked a sack of shit when you wore 8's.The rig they wear now is, I think, bloody awful, especially if it is worn in public. While waiting for a flight at Southampton airport my wife pointed out someone with a White Ensign shoulder patch. They looked like a complete and utter scranbag!! OK, I am an ex G.I. but this guy was the epitome of a stoker in one of Jan's cartoons! When he turned round I was aghast to see that he was a Warrant Officer! What a disgrace to the RN of today.
Ovies, officially referred to as boiler suits (regular dhobeying might not have removed the oil/grease stains but the original dark blue colour aka sprog shine soon washed-out to med blue & lighter.)Before the war and during the war[WW2] it was blue suits or overalls.
Pedant mode onOvies, officially referred to as boiler suits (regular dhobeying might not have removed the oil/grease stains but the original dark blue colour aka sprog shine soon washed-out to med blue & lighter.)
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Clip depicting Jack & his oppos wearing ovies (from the current BBC1 WW2 drama series "World on Fire"*) aboard HMS CUMBERLAND prior to the Battle of the River Plate.
But ovies with collars? Perhaps they were subsequently removed? 1960's onwards they were issued without collars.
How do you think we feel? It shrinks quicker than my tackle in horsea island lake in winter and fades faster than a peaky blinder's hair cut!The rig they wear now is, I think, bloody awful, especially if it is worn in public. While waiting for a flight at Southampton airport my wife pointed out someone with a White Ensign shoulder patch. They looked like a complete and utter scranbag!! OK, I am an ex G.I. but this guy was the epitome of a stoker in one of Jan's cartoons! When he turned round I was aghast to see that he was a Warrant Officer! What a disgrace to the RN of today.
Happy?from official source said:A Post-Project evaluation was recently carried out on the RNPCS uniform that was introduced into Service in 2015. The evaluation, backed by numerous PDRs, DLIMs, and direct user feedback, highlighted that the main concern with RNPCS is the unsuitability in hot climates. Subsequently, the RNPCS Upgrade Project has been established. Our Vision Statement is to “Procure a world class, professional, smart, military style uniform, that Royal Navy sailors are proud of, which is commensurate with a world class Navy.” We are seeking a solution that reduces the thermal burden in hot climates, yet, with appropriate layering, improves the insulating properties when operating in cold weather conditions. Our requirement is technically challenging and complex, particularly given the trade-off between flame retardancy and the weight of the material. Four materials were selected and made into uniforms in May, unfortunately failed either or both the flame and shrinkage tests that are required before a uniform can be trialled at sea. We are seeking to introduce an upgraded product in Q4 2020, subject to successful trials.
We had pockets in convenient places on 8’s / 4’s, your issue is that you’re dealing with submariners in barrow, away from the rest of the mob, we had the same issue in Rosyth when the QNLZ was being built, especially with the stokers that had to wear civvy arc protection overalls who thought they’d get away with not saluting officers and such.The new AWD still has convenient pockets for individuals to put their hands in.
Witnessed two JRs in Barrow last week walking back to the boat in AWD. One of them had cold hands as he had them in his pockets. The Ex WO evil eye I gave him was enough to make him see the errors of his ways.
On topic, The powers that be keep on tweaking or massively altering what jack should wear. Replacement to 8s were a disaster and the follow ons not much better. If the comments of Northern Matelot are common then they have done it yet again.
Why do they not get representative opinions of all current personnel along the lines of a continuous attitude survey? Ask what they want and match that to what works in terms of garment life, protection and practicality. Apologies if they did this but certainly on the 8s replacement it was not done. Clothing turned up and it was "get on with it jack".
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