A Special Case of Vetting?

Bastion

Midshipman
Hi all,

A Hongkong friend of mine who is a British National (Overseas) is joining the Royal Navy. Having passed the face-to-face interview and medical assessments, now he needs to pass the security check. However, what has been happening in the city concerns him very much. After the legislation of the National Security Law in Hongkong, if anyone, regardless of Hongkong citizens and where they live, "colludes with foreign powers against PRC" (Section 4 of the NS law), they will be subject to several and even life imprisonment. Does anyone think that his probability of successfully passing the SC will be significantly lowered, as he might be more likely to be susceptible to external pressure under such a circumstance?

Thank you very much.
 

Stirlin

War Hero
As we have openly expressed our desire to welcome HK residents to apply for UK citizenship this should not be a problem if they can put up with lefty media doing their upmost to bring down the government , rentamob do their level best to attack our police but not on the scale of your friends predicament in HK.
 
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crash_evans

War Hero
Does anyone think that his probability of successfully passing the SC will be significantly lowered, as he might be more likely to be susceptible to external pressure under such a circumstance?
In a word. No. When it comes to SC’s it’s all about risk. Depending which branch your oppo is going for, it may or may not go smoothly.

The standards will not be lowered.


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SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
Back in the day, an Oriental (can't recall if HK or Malaya) baby WE Tiff, nicknamed Yellow Bruce (very un-PC now, but needed as an identifier in case anyone else remembers him) was drafted to bombers, despite a member of his family being a high up communist back home........
 

Sumo

War Hero
Back in the day, an Oriental (can't recall if HK or Malaya) baby WE Tiff, nicknamed Yellow Bruce (very un-PC now, but needed as an identifier in case anyone else remembers him) was drafted to bombers, despite a member of his family being a high up communist back home........
Was he a bender?
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
Back in the day, an Oriental (can't recall if HK or Malaya) baby WE Tiff, nicknamed Yellow Bruce (very un-PC now, but needed as an identifier in case anyone else remembers him) was drafted to bombers, despite a member of his family being a high up communist back home........
I served with a PO dabber on one boat who succesfully went through for officer, his uncle was a Colonel in the Libyan Army under Gadaffi.
 

Bastion

Midshipman
As we have openly expressed our desire to welcome HK residents to apply for UK citizenship this should not be a problem if they can put up with lefty media doing their upmost to bring down the government , rentamob do their level best to attack our police but not on the scale of your friends predicament in HK.
Thank you for your message - That sounds very encouraging to my friend. However, it seems that he has another worry: His family is based in Hongkong, and he is not sure if it is a weighed consideration against his application for the SC. What he has in mind is: The CCP is untrustworthy and vicious. They might target his family members because of the NS Law if unable to target him, and therefore he becomes subject to external pressure. In brief, the UKSV might reject him on this ground.
 

Stirlin

War Hero
I served with a PO dabber on one boat who succesfully went through for officer, his uncle was a Colonel in the Libyan Army under Gadaffi.
Never knew until I googled it that he was the instigater of the coup in 69 and took charge of new government.
Wonder if he was behind the move to train his navy stokers at Sultan ? , Iraqi stokers also trained there , they did not like each other much.
 

crash_evans

War Hero
Thank you for your message - That sounds very encouraging to my friend. However, it seems that he has another worry: His family is based in Hongkong, and he is not sure if it is a weighed consideration against his application for the SC. What he has in mind is: The CCP is untrustworthy and vicious. They might target his family members because of the NS Law if unable to target him, and therefore he becomes subject to external pressure. In brief, the UKSV might reject him on this ground.
So, the risk to the Armed Forces would be high. He could easily be blackmailed. Which would be a red flag for UKSV.


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crash_evans

War Hero
It is exactly the same as when people with dual passports try to enter branches that involve access to sensitive materials.

I.e Warfare/CT/certain WE branches. You must hold sole UK nationality. Hence, why some of the commonwealth guys and girls can’t be in some branches.


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Bastion

Midshipman
It is exactly the same as when people with dual passports try to enter branches that involve access to sensitive materials.

I.e Warfare/CT/certain WE branches. You must hold sole UK nationality. Hence, why some of the commonwealth guys and girls can’t be in some branches.


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I think what you say is quite reasonable: If there is no evidence for thinking the person is safe, we should assume he is not. However, the NS law in Hongkong does not target Hongkongers only. Anyone, regardless of their locations, who make an attempt against the CCP will punishable according to this law. It means Trump is also a criminal in this sense! By this logic, anyone who is joining or working for the AFs from Hongkong, regardless of Hongkong or British Citizens, will be rejected a SC, and hence it leads to a massive amount of rejections.
 

SheffGruff

Badgeman
By this logic, I think anyone who is joining from Hongkong now will be rejected a SC.
Rejected for DV almost certainly, but an SC application may not get looked at in sufficient detail for the risk to be identified.

If moving yourself and your extended family to the UK on a one way ticket, then the threat of blackmail would be manageable. If an applicant has family left behind I'd doubt the wisdom of issuing clearances at any level.
 

Bastion

Midshipman
Rejected for DV almost certainly, but an SC application may not get looked at in sufficient detail for the risk to be identified.

If moving yourself and your extended family to the UK on a one way ticket, then the threat of blackmail would be manageable. If an applicant has family left behind I'd doubt the wisdom of issuing clearances at any level.
Wouldn't have such a problem if Hongkong were still British.
 
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