A possible future escort?

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    Why spend a fortune developing a new class of frigate when we could get the Danes to build these for about £100 million each? The large cargo deck could be used to hold a towed array (if needed) or extra accom, or even a cracking gym! This would finally give us an escort with decent flexibility, at a great cost.
  2. Why indeed?

    Cracking ships as anyone who saw Absalon at T200 will attest. More to the point, how can the Danes who have effectively one (very good) shipyard knock them out for such a low price?

    I was expecting to see a pic of some fit bird :roll:
  4. I am sure that the Danish navy has some of those!!

    But seriously, I guess that the Absolom's are cheap because her designers are not trying to push the boundaries of technology, as ours do. Instead they have come up with an excellent design using tried and tested technology.
  5. silverfox

    silverfox War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    replacement for the T23.... I like.
  6. Put a proper gun on it for proper "defence diplomacy" and some close in missile defence, either gun or missile based and you are away

    Antisubmairne capacity might be a problem though, mind you with two helicopters you might be able to cover that. Or simpily have the correct modules to stick on half of them.
  7. sgtpepperband

    sgtpepperband War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    Just what a modern warship depends on!! :lol:
  8. I can't help thinking that we will probably spend about £500 million on developing the plans for the next frigates, when that could have brought 5 of these ships! Unless we build them here instead when they will cost £500 million each, as opposed to the £100 million the Danes can build them for... :cry:
  9. sgtpepperband

    sgtpepperband War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    I'll have a word with my mate at BAe Systems; he can get stuff done very cheap these days... :twisted:
  10. Nice but what does it do that our current frigates don't? Armament displacement etc is practically identical. New frigates need to be designed for the new world in which they will operate in my book . Generally speaking a world of rapidly changing unpredictable asymmetric threats which for me is why that durch frigate is so interesting.

    Only problem is the number of countries investing in modern desial submarines should we let our antisubmarine warfare capacity slip we might get caught with out pants down. look at the Falklands where the fleet was optimised for antisubmarine warfare we were still very scared by a couple of ageing Argentinians boats Let alone the new nasties the Germans and French are selling

    Just the thoughts of a soon to be officer cadet so treat accordingly :p
  11. Hey, don't knock the fact that you are a future officer cadet, as you are the future!

    The way I see it we need v. high tech destroyers, but frigates need to be cheap, relatively simple and more plentiful. The Absoloms offer something else: space to be flexible over many years. Frigates of old had no spare space, and they were therefore very hard to modernise. Frigates and destroyers are very short of space (wait until you go onboard a type 42!).
    The extra deck on the Absolom means that they can accomodate lots of RMs etc, which a 42 really struggles with. Plus all their equipment. The key for the future is to be flexible, and these ships are probably the best bet for that. And they are CHEAP!! Which means we can have lots of them!! :p

  12. A proven off the shelf design, easy to build, at a fraction of the price for the same capability and a modular weapons fit.
  13. Just a pity they're so underused by some fat knackers. :lol: :lol:
  14. On a straight call between the ANZAC Class (same design generation as out T23s, really) and the Danish ships – I’d go for the Absalon concept 100%. Flexible, modular and evolvable.

    Re the ASW capability - as a complete novice in this field (I’m Amphibious Warfare!) I suspect it is increasingly going to be a helicopter-based capability, for the same reasons of flexibility and manoeuvrability. I am prepared to be flamed on this point!

    For other roles, the modularity, potential for an EMF, hospital facilities, C2 and lift capabilities means they are definitely more flexible.

    And, as Sir Alan West said in his retirement interview on BBC4 – “a ship can only be in one place at one timeâ€, so therefore on cost AND crew size capabilities we can have more of ‘em. Which can only be A Good Thing both for the Service and for the demands made upon us…
  15. sgtpepperband

    sgtpepperband War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    Can't get in them 'cos they're toppers with wanna be Royals and car park Field Gun Bunnies... :twisted:
  16. 23kts with a following wind doesn't do it for me… too big as well. @ 6,300 tons we should be looking for a proper VLS instalation.

    They seem to be a jack of all trades and that will always mean too many trade offs.
  17. Which is what we are increasingly being tasked to do! Speed not a great issue I think, and we do need to "future proof" with as much flexibility as possible. 'Coz we ARE Jacks of all trade...
  18. Well the Absoloms seem to be half frigate/half LPD…

    and it's not as if we are short of assualt ships now is it.
  19. Don't discount the Vorrsprung Durch Technik. The German MEKO 200s are already being looked at by FLEET as a replacement for the T23. Papers have already tasked & written. There is a gap between when the T23's go out of service and a British built replacement can be in service. A neat stop gap would be the MEKO. They are proven & flexible, make extensive use of modern construction and machinery. They make a T23 look like something that came out of a Britsh Leyland factory in the 70's.

    Having sea ridden all & sundry, served in Leanders, T22 & T23, the MEKO certainly turns my prop.

    No doubt the British T23 replacement will use 1990's technology, be built by BAE (Big and Expensive), be delivered late and need months of work by Jack to bring it up to an acceptable operational standard. For good measure it will probably have a sea water system made of mild steel, gun metal, copper nickel, stainless steel and any other metal to make up a battery.

    This is a no brainer - buy something that works rather that try to push the boundaries further that we need.

    Rant over!

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