A new perspective of punishment

hobbit

War Hero
This is a topical and somewhat controversial subject involving euthenasia . While primarily the subject concerns end of life choices for those suffering or with a terminal illness this approaches criminals facing a life-time in gaol . Personally I view life imprisonment as a form of torture , a slow death . Prisoners sometimes subjected to isolation and vulnerable to attacks by other prisoners plus sadistic treatment by some ' screws ' makes sense to end it all in one clean act . This is a prisoner asking to be executed not an outsider calling for blood . It doesn't need to be a stage performance as with Saddam Hussein but a civilised act where the prisoner , by choice , is given a knock out drop , Nembutal is the most efficient and painless method I understand . Anyway , for what it's worth , food for thought .

"6. Prisoner backs 'euthanasia for lifers' calls

Jul 7 2007
by Robin Turner,
Western Mail
icWales(UK)

A PRISONER serving life in a Welsh jail has called for the Government to consider allowing voluntary euthanasia for inmates serving long sentences.
The demand from the Swansea Jail prisoner comes a month after 300 Italian inmates signed a letter to the country’s president Giorgio Napolitano urging him to bring back the death penalty.
The letter was from a member of the Sicilian Mafia, 52-year-old Carmelo Musumeci, in prison for 17 years, who said he is tired of “dying a little bit every dayâ€.
“We want to die just once,†he said, “and we are asking for our life sentence to be changed to a death sentence.â€
Now, a prisoner in Swansea Jail signing himself Allien Dewi- David has written to the prisoners’ newspaper Inside Time asking for a law change to allow certain prisoners to be killed.
The letter reads,“I was listening on the radio to the story in Italy whereby 300 lifers had sent a petition to the Italian government seeking the introduction of the death penalty for certain lifer inmates.
“As a long-serving lifer, this got me thinking about the UK and one of the arguments consistently put forward against the reintroduction of the death penalty is what if an innocent person is put to death?
“However if we introduced what would amount to voluntary euthanasia for lifers, this would nullify that argument.
“Obviously there would need to be extensive psychiatric tests for anyone considering this option, but in principle I believe it’s one worth examining.
“As for public approval – no problem there, which would in turn lead to political approval.â€
Editor of Inside Time John Roberts said it is the first time voluntary euthanasia for prisoners had been broached in the publication.
He said, “While we have not discussed the issue before, suicide and how to deal with very long sentences is obviously a big topic inside.
“Many prisoners who are not likely to get out have decided to end it themselves, the best known examples in recent times being Harold Shipman and Fred West.â€
But Frances Crook, director of the Howard League for Penal Reform, is horrified at the idea.
She said, “We would never endorse euthanasia for lifers. The very fact Mr David would suggest such a move shows the desperation that life imprisonment can cause.
“Locking people up indefinitely, with little or no hope of release, is cruel and inhumane. The prison system should be about working with inmates so that they can return to society without fear of re-offending. In truth, it is only a very few who are so dangerous that they can never be freed.
“Prisoners do take their own lives frequently and so far this year we have 47 confirmed self-inflicted deaths in custody. The focus must be on preventing suicides and giving lifers the hope that one day they can return to their communities as reformed citizens.â€
It is estimated that only about 30 life-sentenced prisoners will actually serve a “whole life†tariff, with Ian Huntley and Rose West thought to be among them.
Erwin James, now a columnist with the Guardian after his release from a life term for murder, said, “Hopelessness abounds among the lifer population. Many fail to get to the end, some commit suicide, some die of natural causes.
“Doing life can seem like a hopeless existence, an endless journey to nowhere.†"

I hope there is sufficient reference points to satisfy the pedantic plagiarism
police .
 

NZ_Bootneck

War Hero
He's free to top himself. Does the ****** need someone to do the deed for him to prevent him dropping himself in it with the Pope, should have thought of that before he joined the Mafia.
NZB
 

hobbit

War Hero
NZ_Bootneck said:
He's free to top himself. Does the ****** need someone to do the deed for him to prevent him dropping himself in it with the Pope, should have thought of that before he joined the Mafia.
NZB


I suppose the lesson to be learned here is that execution is more humane than life imprisonment and prison staff do not like suicides on their watch . The death sentence needs to be reconsidered perhaps but without the theatricals just straight out ' drink this bastard ' finish .
 
If you are in the pokey, ans your crime is such that you are banged up for life, you don't get choices.

"I die a litle every day", so? Keep dying and STFU, you have no rights to request early termination.

The death penalty is not a deterrent, getting put away for life (I mean life, for ever, until you die) and being punished during that time in jail is the deterrent.

A twenty year old potential murderer would think twice if the punishment is the next 60 years in prison, no visits in the first 5 years, one phone call per week.

Make jail harder, make criminals think more about the consequences.
 
but it would work out cheaper for the taxpayer to just top them. why pay 60yrs food and accom for some murdering c**t. we are told all the time that prisons are overcrowded.
 
sensibledunny said:
but it would work out cheaper for the taxpayer to just top them. why pay 60yrs food and accom for some murdering c**t. we are told all the time that prisons are overcrowded.

I know what you are saying, but as is proven in Italy, these guys see death as an 'Easy Out', but that's not punishment.

Don't bring back the Death Penalty (makes us as bad as the murderers) bring back the Penal Colonies, lovely little abandoned island somewhere (like Australia).
 
but would work as a deterrent- and be cheap, a huge tent city style prison. hear the judge now- whats that son? not really your fault? your actually the victim of modern society... well i've got just the place for you- see you in thirty years!
 
sensibledunny said:
but would work as a deterrent- and be cheap, a huge tent city style prison. hear the judge now- whats that son? not really your fault? your actually the victim of modern society... well i've got just the place for you- see you in thirty years!

Interesting, after a wee bit of training and the issue of a lovely big pair of boots, we could have them down there looking for land mines.
 

Six_and_a_Half

Lantern Swinger
I think many people have probably said this before, but life should mean life, unless the parole board is satisfied that the prisoner is sufficiently rehabilitated for civilised society.

The purpose of a prison has always been to protect the law-abiding citizens by locking up and stowing away the bad apples in the barrel. But these bad apples are still human beings and I agree that to lock them away without hope of release is cruel and inhumane. If there is a chance that a prisoner can reform and be accepted back into society then by all means s/he should be given that chance, but should be expected to serve a minimum number of years in prison to prove it first.

The only reason I would consider condoning the death penalty is for high-profile cases which have been splayed across the tabloids for some time, causing public outrage and anger at the crime. If Ian Huntley was ever released from jail, there would be outcry and he would have to change his identity. He would require police protection for the rest of his life, and I do not believe that the government could realistically afford that. If the prisoner has no hope then I also believe it is a waste of money to keep him alive, therefore I would suggest a private hanging conducted in prison.
 
The Death Penalty is a cheap option, but it's no more or less humane than life with no release.

We are a civilised nation (honest) we do not require a Death Penalty.

Before anyone checks my location and cries 'foul', Dubai has not had an execution in Years.
 
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