whitemouse said:NozzyNozzer said:whitemouse said:Never mind a new Home Sec - what about a new government ?
This lot have to be the worst ever.... !!
I can see you don't remember what a shambles Major's government was: a perfect example of where lax, inconsistent discipline is deadly. If you make a threat, carry it out, but whatever you do, don't appease the rebels.
As for Charles Clarke, I expect he will resign on Friday. His position is untenable.
Actually I can remember, even though I was working overseas at the time.
The point is what this current mob were / and are accusing the previous lot of, 'sleaze / dishonesty etc .
But what is happening now ? - sleaze / lies / more lies / unearned pay & pension awards / flogging honours/ misuse of public property (bonking ones mistress / lover boy / rent boy / provision of public travel warrants etc come to mind perhaps ?) and disgraced Ministers being returned to office to transgress yet again - the list is probably more than has so far been revealed.
The Tories may not have been actually squeeky clean or even effective in some cases, but can anyone recall what this mob do or do not do effectively (apart from spending untold billions of taxpayers money) which is the relevant question?
Perhaps you may recall that when the Tories came into power, the Forces actually received payrises - but what of the times, thankfully few, that the the other lot came in - not many payrises that I can recall?
Nuff said as this is not a political forum really.
Perhaps there ought be one - Moderator ??
The problem is that all oppositions promise one thing in opposition and diverge when they hold office. Both Labour & the Tories promised to curtail the power of central government and return power to the people via decentralisation. When in power both have done the opposite. As for sleaze and broken promises, there is nothing new in political hypocrisy. Under the Tories rather a lot of Honours went to businessmen who just happened to aid the Tory Party, though it is perfectly possible, as with Labour, that this is purely coincidental.
Yes service pay did increase much more under the Tories, but it was not all rosy for the Forces. A particularly bad taste is left by the Falklands Campaign which could have been avoided had Mrs.T acted in the same decisive way as her predecessor in No.10. Then there was the Victory Parade when servicemen who were badly wounded/maimed were seated well out of public view and away from the cameras: that parade was more about political presentation rather than honouring those who fought in the Campaign! I feel angry remembering that! The forces were political canon fodder.
As you said, though, perhaps we need a seperate area for political discussion.