A few questions.

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  1. Hey all,

    I've been considering joining the Navy for a while now, I had a load of questions until I found this forum (flattery over) but I still have a few, and It would be great if you could answer them.

    First and foremost, I would like to join as a hydrographer (preferably as an officer, from the look of the Navy website officer hydrography is a sub set of warfare but If I fail anything in the officer selection or training I am quite content to join as a rating). I however am foreign! well... ish. I was born to English parents and lived the first 10 years of my life in Devon, but the last almost 8 years have all been In New Zealand.
    As a British citizen (not dual with NZ) am I able to join my preferred career? Is the fact that I have not been resident for a few years going to bite me in the arse? Will the fact that the country I live in is a commonwealth member, has pretty similar law to England and so on? I can probably get a statement of good character from the codgers or the government.

    Secondly, I have a (very mild) nut allergy. I'm good with all nuts except peanuts and walnuts, If I eat one of these I take an antihistamine (just a bog standard one like you'd take for hayfever) spew, get back to what I was doing. I never get anaphalactic (never could spell that damn word) shock or any of the nasty stuff some poor buggers get, and even when I don't get an antihistamine I still run along fine, I just feel crook for a little bit longer. Either way in an emergency situation I would still be able to operate, do my duties etc. Would this disqualify me? I know there's worries over poor medical support on ships but I don't need any.

    Finally, regarding preperation for life post Navy, I'd quite like to train as a marine archaeologist, at what points during my career would I be able to get time off work for 3 years to do a university course? I can't do it before hand as once again because I have not been resident for the last year years I qualify for overseas uni fees (10 grand a year! Where on earth do they think anyone could get that sort of money!) and I can't do an equivelent course In NZ, because there isn't one. I'm assuming after my minimum term of service I could leave for uni then come back, are there any other options?

    Thanks for your time, my apologies if anything I asked has been previously covered, I had a look but couldn't see anything.
  2. Hey, welcome to RR!

    I'm sure Ninja Stoker will be able to give you a definitive answer to number 1, however I am in a similar situation although I lived in the UK for the 1st 24 years of my life. I have been resident in Oz and NZ for the last 8 years. According to the info i got from the RN website, you should have been resident in the UK for the 3 years prior to joining. I emailed my AFCO and they advised the following:

    "You would still be able to apply to join the Royal Navy as you have spent at least 3 years in both countries and the Defence Vetting Agency can carry out reciprocal security checks with both Australia and New Zealand, however there are other eligibility checks that you would have to meet and we would also have to apply for a waiver if you were successful through the selection process."

    I will be applying when I am at home for Christmas for the same branch although I am "past it" by Navy standards to apply as an officer :whew:

    Best of luck!
  3. Hi and welcome to RR!

    Ninja_s would be the best person to answer all of your questions, to be honest. However, if your nut allergy is something that can be controlled, I don't see a problem. I joined with a very mild nut allergy, only to peanuts, mind you and had to carry tablets around with me all the time. Aslong as you are honest with the AFCO, 100% honest, then they will be willing to go all the way to see what they can do.

    But this depends on how bad your allergy is, by the sounds of it, your's is just like mine.

    But againb, Ninja_s will be the best person to ask, this is just from my experience.

    As for joining and such, living in a different country, I wouldn't be able to answer that for you.

    But good luck xxxx
  4. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Hello & welcome to RR

    Wow! Is this a “Test question" mate?

    OK, here we go….


    For entry into the Naval Service a candidate must, at all times since birth, fall into
    one of the following Nationality categories:
    a. British Citizen.
    b. Dual British/Commonwealth, British/Irish, British/Other citizenship.
    c. Irish or Commonwealth citizen.
    d. Dual Commonwealth / Commonwealth, Commonwealth/other Irish/
    Commonwealth or Irish/Other nationality.

    Warfare Branch must be British or Dual British, not Commonwealth. As you state you are a British Passport holder, then you should be OK on Nationality, but may require a residency waiver. If you contact the overseas desk at London AFCO, they will advise accordingly: London AFCO


    The Residency requirement is part of the Security Clearance procedure and is irrespective of the Nationality of the candidate. The residency status of the candidate's parents or partner is not considered.

    Unless satisfactory security checks can be carried out in the candidates’ country of residence, candidates for entry into the Naval Service should normally have resided in the UK for a minimum of five years immediately prior to making an application. In certain circumstances, particularly where an applicant is of UK origin, a shorter period of residence may be accepted.

    Hydrography Officers, as you state join initially as Warfare Officers. There is no guarantee that you will be able to specialise as hydrographer. If you join as a rating you will join as a Warfare Specialist (oceanographic, Hydrographic & Meteorological) or (HM). [Sounds like the beginning of Grease Lightning, to me].

    Medical Suitability

    The only person able to give a definitive answer with regard Medical suitability for service is the Medical Officer, however here is a medical extract from the Application Form Information and Guidance Booklet:

    "Unsuitable Conditions

    The conditions in the table below make a person permanently unsuitable for entry into the Services:

    This table below and overleaf is not exhaustive and is for guidance only. Many conditions that are compatible with civilian employment and sport maybe considered incompatible with military service.

    If you have a medical condition that is not mentioned below, or you are unclear about the impact of your medical history, you should seek the advice of the AFCO staff,

    Please note the AFCO staff are not medically qualified and that the decision regarding medical suitability for enlistment is determined by selection medical staff.

    ......Allergic disorders: Severe allergic reactions and/or anaphylaxis. Nut & peanut allergy, egg allergy, latex allergy, vaccine allergy (including Tetanus). Gluten sensitivity (Coeliac disease)"

    Further education sponsorship is available to suitable candidates, however my advice would be to worry about joining first!

    Good luck!

    (I need a lie-down now)
  5. You deserve it after all that.
  6. As concerns the allergy thing, I've seen people turned down because of an egg allergy because the yellow fever immunisation is heavy on something erm... eggy. Anyone carrying an epipen is also out. All allergy referrals will go to the main medical dude (Senior Medical Officer, Service Entry) for scrutiny.
  7. Am I right in saying that the security checks can be carried out for Oz and NZ with no problem?
  8. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Strictly speaking Fi, it depends which countries have a reciprocal agreement with the UK, and we're not allowed to comment which ones do.

    The correct answer is to speak with the overseas desk in London AFCO.

    It would also be true to say, without even checking, that Oz & NZ are our bestest buddies, which is hardly a secret.
  9. Ninja - can I get the residency waiver process rolling before I join? Or do I have to get it sorted in person? I'll be looking to come over to England sometime Early to mid next year to join up, but I don't want to be waiting around more than is strictly necessary.

    Jenny_Dabber - you're probably the best person to ask (and we can let Ninja_Stoker have that lie down) about the allergy business. Did you know you had an allergy and needed medication for it before you joined? How similar is your allergy to mine (vomit, crook for 1/2 to 1 and a 1/2 hours depending on availability of antihistamine)

    DanceswithJPA - No I don't carry an epipen, in fact I need no medication, It just makes me better, quicker. Coincidentally, what is JPA? (After reading this forum and the Navy website I've picked up an unerring compulsion to discover the meaning to every acronym that I encounter).

    Kiwi-Fi - Good luck! How are you past it though? You're only in your early 30's.
  10. Aww thanks mate :thanks: I don't think I am past it (you're only as old as the man you feel :dance: ) but as far as joining as an officer I am. Doesn't worry me though, especially as Ninja said there is no guarantee you can specialise in hydrographics.

    Where abouts in NZ are you?
  11. "You're only as old as the man you feel" Y'know I'm really glad I read your other post where you said you were female.

    Oh, and I live currently in Hamilton (unfortunately).

    Anyone - Another question, as a warfare officer or any other boat wallah how much time in, say a year, would you spend at sea? Just out of pure cosmic curiosity.
  12. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    You'll need to contact the overseas desk at London AFCO, they will advise accordingly with regard residency: London AFCO

    As for sea-time it is dependent on the ship's program, but you can pretty much be assured in most 18 month periods you will be away from UK for up to one 6 month period, maybe two. That doesn't mean you'll be at sea for six months. Unless you actually know which ship you're joining, it's very difficult to predict where/when & how much you'll be at sea. In theory you'll spend 60% of your time at sea.
  13. JPA is a wonderful world of fun that was bestowed upon us in November last year. It was my job to teach matelots how to use it. Now I'm at the Medical Board (until next month).
  14. Joint Personnel Administration.

    In theory a wholesale modernisation and alignment of all three services HR processes, supported by a large IT implementation.

    In practice all three services bastardised things a little.

    Although what most people mean when they use the term is the software element which gives self service access to the various processes. The software leaves a lot to be desired IMHO.
  15. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator


    Couldn't have put it better myself.
  16. Seconded your honour. Fujitsu (I think) run the software side of it don't they?
  17. EDS support JPA, it's Oracle HR so wholly server based and delivered to the user via a web services app.

    FJ run the desktop infrastructure in DII.
  18. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Uh-huh. Just as I thought.

    I'm having a Deja Vu, excuse me....
  19. chieftiff

    chieftiff War Hero Moderator

    I knew that [​IMG]
  20. What, again....

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