A few questions about RNR :)

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  1. Hi Everyone, I'm new here. I have a few questions about joining the RNR.

    Firstly, my fiance is American and we will marry and he will become a citizen of the UK. We plan to stay here for a decent amount of time 6 years at least. After this we plan to immigrate to the USA and I will be required to get questioned to become a citizen there. Will being / have been in the RNR affect this application? Anyone heard of anything similar or been through this?

    Secondly, I have been working in intelligence for 3 years now, and currently working full-time in intelligence. Is it possible to join the intelligence section from the RNR? I would love to devote some of my time to this cause. Also I am only 22, and without a degree but a significant amount of skills from industry and some certifications. Would this hinder me?

    Thanks for your time everyone.
  2. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    You would have to talk to the US authorities with regard what may affect your eligibility to gain US citizenship, but in any event, when you move to the US, you'll need to leave the RNR.

    With regard the specialisations available within the RNR, unless joining as a Cyber Reservist rating, all other intelligence roles are Officer only, so you'd need the minimum 5 GCSEs and 180 UCAS points (under the current scoring scheme). To find out what is available, beyond the recruiting aspect, your best bet is to give your local unit a ring via the 03456 07 55 55 number and get yourself booked-in for an Initial Maritime Reserves Presentation.

    Good luck.
  3. Are you definitely really sure about that? I know I've sent a number of ratings off to intelligence selection weekends and some of them are still ratings now and definitely seem to be in an intelligence branch.
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  4. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    The info I have indicates there is no direct entry Intelligence/SyOps/Info Ops & that Rating applicants must serve 4 years in another RNR branch before undergoing selection. But yes, there are indeed ratings jobs in intelligence - good shout.

    If they have made it a direct entry branch the RNR need to update the website: http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/brochures/royal-navy-reserves/roles/intelligence

    From an AFCO perspective, we recruit reservist Ratings, Cyber Reserves or Officers. Other branches that maybe available after joining are decided "in house" within the RNR.

    RNR Divers, for example, will sometimes undergo Diver selection at the same time they undergo AFCO selection, but from an AFCO perspective, they are just processed as a generic RNR rating.
  5. Whilst it is true that a rating who wishes to join the RNR can not choose their branch/Spec until completion of "basic training", things are not 100% as they seem.
    When you arrive in Unit as a Probationary Recruit, and then move to a Recruit, you will be exposed to all specs in that unit attempting to sell you their spec. And, AT LEAST, 6 weeks before attending HMS RALEIGH for the final bit of basic training, you will need to have sent off a form requesting your spec preferences.
    This form should be returned to the Unit before your attendance at HMS RALEIGH, with a decision on which spec you will join should you successfully pass out.

    All recruits are actively encouraged to attend "spec selection weekends", where they exist, BEFORE attendance at HMS RALEIGH, and this includes the Intelligence Spec.

    If you move to another country, this does not automatically mean you have to leave the RNR, I'm pretty certain duel nationality will though. It would be unusual for a reservist to be residing outside the UK, but is not forbidden, indeed I know of at least 3 who are currently members of the RNR and attending ORT back in the UK!!

    it would come as no surprise if the AFCOs have not been formally told of these changes/nuances, perhaps one for SO1 Recruiting to jump on before he leaves his current FTRS appointment??

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  6. Actually I read on the Army Reserve Quarterly that recently there's an agreement struck between US and British militaries in that British reservists can get attached to a US reserve unit if they had to live in the US for a few years and vice versa.
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  7. There is most definetly a Memorandum of Understanding with Canada that allows Canadian Naval Reservists to train at a UK CMR Unit if they are over here temporarily.
    So back to the OP, JAR 22, do like what Baldrick did at Blackadder's trial for shooting dead the pigeon, say NOTHING. Then, if you do end up going across the pond to live, you can probably get a few more years in the RNR by claiming you are only doing it for a couple of years, after the first 5 years away from the UK, they may get wise to you, but, hey, ho, who really cares, you'll be on the Trained Strength, an good for somebody's numbers!
    (But don't tell the medics, as they will probably fail ypu on your medical as being temporarily insane! )
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  8. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Again, if this is the case, RNR Recruiting needs to be telling AFCOs. Currently (although there is an Army Reserve unit on the island), even those living on the Isle of Man cannot join the Maritime Reserves as they are unable to meet the training requirements or qualify for bounty. The RMR is discharging trained ranks employed overseas for non-attendance.

    If things change, it helps if Recruiting Instructions reflect those changes nationally or the job of recruiting Reservists becomes more convoluted than it already is.
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  9. How flexible are the RMR/RNR when it comes to leave of absence. I think in the AR allows people to take a leave of absence for a while if someone is posted abroad.
  10. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    Err, no they're not NJ.

    The RNR has Int ORs which the RN lacks. Recommend you talk with the CO/XO of FERRET.

    It is true you can laterally TX, but they will also accept direct entry if there is established experience/qualifications/education etc.

    Navy Intelligence Division (NID) at Chicksands will also advise.
  11. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    Ferret definitely take ORs but certainly a few years ago the preference was for those with a bit of prior experience if possible. But it does require passing a fairly demanding assessment weekend to get in.
  12. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    It's more than manageable by anyone with a little intelligence.....
  13. I saw what you did there...
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  14. The ability to sit in the corner of the MOC during JW and not talk to anyone?
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  15. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Appreciated. The point is, that direct entry Intelligence Branch Ratings are not in any recruiting literature/online media and, from an AFCO perspective are processed as a generic RNR rating entrant.

    If the RNR seek to recruit direct entry into the branch, they need to promulgate it through official channels rather than write it on the back of a fag packet, like normal. :)
  16. NJ
    Perhaps in your capacity as AFCO Ninja, you could encourage OiC AFCO to formally approach CMR asking for clarification?

    And, if SO1 CMR Recruiting is viewing this, he could tackle it from his end?

    Just a though!
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  17. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    I am back in office on Tues, I will mention it to NID and FERRET.

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  18. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Yep, I'll raise it my side too.

    The worry is that people may otherwise be turned-away or simply not apply.
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  19. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    The wider Navy is thundering down the Information Warfare path; RNR Int ORs will be vital contributors to that vision and another study is looking at the PED (Processed, Exploit, Disseminate) requirement and will again look at the requirement for RN Int ORs, which is sensible seeing as the RM have them in their CIs.

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