A few questions about joining the Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm

Skanza

Midshipman
As this is my first post, I'll quickly introduce myself.

I am currently studying my A levels in Post16, and Have about 1 hand a half years left. Currently I'm residing in the middle-east as an expect, however I am a British National (caucasian).

When applying to the Royal Navy as an officer will I have to attend the Britannia Royal Naval College correct?

I will have completed my A levels, (providing I get 140 UCAS points).

Or can I get Direct Graduate Entry?

Do Royal Navy Officers undergo basic military training?

Another point is, how EASY is it to transfer from being a Royal Marine Officer to get into the Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm?

Basically what I'd love is to be able to experience the mass physical side of the marines' and later move onto being a pilot in the Navy. How easy is this to acheive?

I know these are a lot of questions, And I have been lurking around a bit and read several posts to get a better idea of things.

Hope you can help. Thanks! :)

- Scott F.
 

the_matelot

War Hero
Moderator
Re: A few questions about joining the Royal Navy Fleet Air A

Skanza,

I spent a few years in the Fleet Air Arm before retrading to warfare but I do know there is a RM Major who is fast jet qualified...

Alternatively, you could join BRNC and go for your All Arms Commando Course. It's an alternative way of getting your green lid and the standards are exactly the same.
 

Skanza

Midshipman
Re: A few questions about joining the Royal Navy Fleet Air A

the_matelot said:
Skanza,

I spent a few years in the Fleet Air Arm before retrading to warfare but I do know there is a RM Major who is fast jet qualified...

Alternatively, you could join BRNC and go for your All Arms Commando Course. It's an alternative way of getting your green lid and the standards are exactly the same.
So I could join the BRNC then take the AACC and then after that apply for the Fleet Air Arm (Aircrew Officer - Pilot)?
 

the_matelot

War Hero
Moderator
Re: A few questions about joining the Royal Navy Fleet Air A

No, you'd apply to join as a pilot in the RN. Get through BRNC and flying training and only then could you apply to do your AACC.
 
Re: A few questions about joining the Royal Navy Fleet Air A

On my old Sea Harrier Squadron we had 2 Royal Marine pilots, one is now on my GR7 squadron.


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You Take Your Chance When You Choose Your Branch
 

Skanza

Midshipman
Re: A few questions about joining the Royal Navy Fleet Air A

Joint_Force_Harrier said:
On my old Sea Harrier Squadron we had 2 Royal Marine pilots, one is now on my GR7 squadron.


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Interesting. That's the thing, If I chose the Royal Marines, nothing is definate right?

Let's say I chose the RM. This means I would have to serve for about 3 years on operational duty and then can I apply for the RN? OR can I chose Pilot as a specialisation?(doesn't that only include groundcrew?

Thanks so much for all your input! :)
 

boredwafu

Lantern Swinger
A friend of mine was a Royal for over 10 years before transferring to the RN as Officer aircrew, got quite a few looks with the rows of gongs on parade at BRNC!!

As for the AACC, can be done as an RN Officer, just getting clearance/time to do it may be difficult, particularly if going through aircrew training.
 

Skanza

Midshipman
Re: A few questions about joining the Royal Navy Fleet Air A

boredwafu said:
A friend of mine was a Royal for over 10 years before transferring to the RN as Officer aircrew, got quite a few looks with the rows of gongs on parade at BRNC!!

As for the AACC, can be done as an RN Officer, just getting clearance/time to do it may be difficult, particularly if going through aircrew training.
Thanks for the reply.

I reckon I'm going to go in as an Officer for the FAA, rotary wing aircraft. Then I can try for the AACC.

Just a quick quesiton (possibly presumptuous), but is is possible to chose or have some sort of saying in where I'd like to serve (what unit, overseas etc.)

Sorry for the mega noob questions, but I don't have the royalties of asking a Careers Office.

-Scott
 

Piran

Midshipman
From what I understand, if you join as a Bootie officer, then you do your first tour as a Troop commander. Then you may choose to specialise. Don't forget the RM's use the Gazelle as a scout Heli. If your good enough as a pilot, then you can expect to be cherry picked for Harriers (I would say fast jet, but their not!), regardless of how you joined up.

If you want to get your Green lid, then yes you can after you joined, but as others have said, you'll need to get time away from your job to do it.

As with all of us in the services, you can ask to go somewhere, but there are no gurantees :)
 

boredwafu

Lantern Swinger
Re: A few questions about joining the Royal Navy Fleet Air A

Which unit etc is going to come down to aptitude as far as what aircraft you are selected for, you can ask all you want, but the bottom line is always going to be you are sent where you are needed. Regardless, I think just about everybody ends up loving their first aircraft type!!
 

Skanza

Midshipman
Re: A few questions about joining the Royal Navy Fleet Air A

Piran said:
From what I understand, if you join as a Bootie officer, then you do your first tour as a Troop commander. Then you may choose to specialise. Don't forget the RM's use the Gazelle as a scout Heli. If your good enough as a pilot, then you can expect to be cherry picked for Harriers (I would say fast jet, but their not!), regardless of how you joined up.

If you want to get your Green lid, then yes you can after you joined, but as others have said, you'll need to get time away from your job to do it.

As with all of us in the services, you can ask to go somewhere, but there are no gurantees :)
Yea that's what I'm contemplating on, joining as a bootie, and choosing 'pilot' as a specialty, however that won't guarantee me a job as a pilot will it?

Thanks for the other replies.
 

codbutt

Midshipman
Re: A few questions about joining the Royal Navy Fleet Air A

Really, you want to decide which of these things you want, as you are unlikely to get both.

The ideal thing would be for you to end up as a pilot on a Commando air squadron and then do the all-arms course, but believe me, if you join the Navy and want nothing more than to fly Commando, you'll end up on a Merlin in no time.

It depends a lot on you as a pilot - there are a certain set of attributes they look for in Junglie pilots, and if you're not it, and there aren't slots for students when you finish your course, you won't go Commando. But then, who knows, you might be just the man.

My advice would be to do some flying, and also do some Booty acquaint stuff - find out which you like better - then put heart and soul into getting into RM or RN. Once you're in, which believe me, takes some doing, then look at combining these aspirations of yours, if you still have them by then.

I have met a few people who are half-booty and half-pilot, but I've met a hell of a lot more folks who are 100% one or the other.
 

Skanza

Midshipman
Re: A few questions about joining the Royal Navy Fleet Air A

codbutt said:
Really, you want to decide which of these things you want, as you are unlikely to get both.

The ideal thing would be for you to end up as a pilot on a Commando air squadron and then do the all-arms course, but believe me, if you join the Navy and want nothing more than to fly Commando, you'll end up on a Merlin in no time.

It depends a lot on you as a pilot - there are a certain set of attributes they look for in Junglie pilots, and if you're not it, and there aren't slots for students when you finish your course, you won't go Commando. But then, who knows, you might be just the man.

My advice would be to do some flying, and also do some Booty acquaint stuff - find out which you like better - then put heart and soul into getting into RM or RN. Once you're in, which believe me, takes some doing, then look at combining these aspirations of yours, if you still have them by then.

I have met a few people who are half-booty and half-pilot, but I've met a hell of a lot more folks who are 100% one or the other.
Thank's for the response!
 

avoiding_action

Lantern Swinger
Piran said:
From what I understand, if you join as a Bootie officer, then you do your first tour as a Troop commander. Then you may choose to specialise. Don't forget the RM's use the Gazelle as a scout Heli. If your good enough as a pilot, then you can expect to be cherry picked for Harriers (I would say fast jet, but their not!), regardless of how you joined up.

If you want to get your Green lid, then yes you can after you joined, but as others have said, you'll need to get time away from your job to do it.

As with all of us in the services, you can ask to go somewhere, but there are no gurantees :)
No Gazelles anymore!

It's Lynx Mk7 with 847 NAS or Sea king Mk4 with the junglies. Although a Booty recently got a DFC flying a CH47!
 

bruiser_loose

Midshipman
Skanza - I concur with Codbutt. You have to choose what you want to do - be a RM officer or pilot in the FAA. The armed forces are not here to fulfill every little boys dream and give them every job that they ever wanted.

A few, and I stress a few, RM Officers get the opportunity to undertake pilot training. Those good enough, like PK, go on to become Harrier jocks but the majority will end up on 847 or 845/6. There have even been a couple who have flown grey Lynx.

If you go RN pilot, there may be opportunities to get a crack at the AACC but you need to be in the right job or going to a job that needs the qualification. Long gone are the days when you could apply to do the course for kudos or sh*ts and giggles. Nowadays every penny needs to be accounted for.

It also needs to be pointed out that you are interested in the 2 branches with (possibly) the highest chop rates in the RN. People who get through to become RM officers and FAA Aircrew have worked bloody hard to get there and are proud members of their respective clubs. IIRC the statistic for FAA Aircrew is for every 200 who go to a careers office and apply for pilot/observer, 1 person will end up in the cockpit of a front line aircraft.
 
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