A bit of help for the Junglies?

Not_a_boffin

War Hero
Rumour going round on PPrune that CHF is going to stand up a Merlin squadron using airframes bumped from the Danish/Portuguese orders. Manned mainly by Culdrose crews but with a Jungly LH seat.

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=246393


Great to have a bit of relief for the SK4 crews, but is it permanent or is it the temporary PFI mooted some weeks ago?

Anybody shed any light?
 

fido

MIA
Not_a_boffin said:
Rumour going round on PPrune that CHF is going to stand up a Merlin squadron using airframes bumped from the Danish/Portuguese orders. Manned mainly by Culdrose crews but with a Jungly LH seat.

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=246393


Great to have a bit of relief for the SK4 crews, but is it permanent or is it the temporary PFI mooted some weeks ago?

Anybody shed any light?
I've not heard of this - not surprising really, CHF are Navy when it suits 'em and Army when it don't! Seeing the recent fait accompli concerning 24 Regiment sprung by the Army, nothing surprises me any more.
 

Bisley

War Hero
i have heard from a colleague that the MOD is that desperate, westlands at the moment is overhauling v old pumas from the south african air force. How desperate has Blair made us??
 

Point_West

Midshipman
I also heard yesterday over scran that the MOD is trying to acquire Danish eh101s to sort out the lack of heavy lift.

Also that the lions share of the crews will be from the far south west!

Seems this rumour has substance?
 

stumpy

War Hero
And rather than getting hold of Dutch or other foreign ones, why not remove the sonar equipment from the RN ones. I know it is not perfect, ie: no big ramp at the back, but it can be done very quickly. Repaint them, fit a GPMG, and off they go...
 

FlagWagger

GCM
Book Reviewer
stumpy said:
And rather than getting hold of Dutch or other foreign ones, why not remove the sonar equipment from the RN ones. I know it is not perfect, ie: no big ramp at the back, but it can be done very quickly. Repaint them, fit a GPMG, and off they go...
If the RN Merlin has a different designation to the non-maritime variant, then given the bureacracy associated with Military Aircraft Release it would probably be easier to procure from an alternative source. Just look at all the trouble they had in deleting the gun on Typhoon - to remove the gun would affect the aircraft balance and would require full flight testing again; solution retain the gun just disable it (until batch 2 at least).
 

stumpy

War Hero
Good point, but the RN Merlin is designed to be able to remove the sonar equipment in a couple of hours (or so), so that it can easily be used to carry stores to ship etc. The RN have about 40 Merlins, twice as many as the RAF...

It might seem a shame to use a lovely ASW aircraft in this way, but it seems we are desperate...
 

FlagWagger

GCM
Book Reviewer
stumpy said:
Good point, but the RN Merlin is designed to be able to remove the sonar equipment in a couple of hours (or so), so that it can easily be used to carry stores to ship etc. The RN have about 40 Merlins, twice as many as the RAF...

It might seem a shame to use a lovely ASW aircraft in this way, but it seems we are desperate...
I'm sure someone somewhere is taking a long hard look at the current MAR and seeing whether its been written in such a way as to permit this tasking. While I can see the need to put restrictions on the operating envelope and permissible configurations of an aircraft, at times it seems as if the MAR is far too specific and proscriptive (but at least it keeps a large proportion of QinetiQ in business!).
 

i/cflyingcircus

Midshipman
All good points, but something else to consider is the training burden. Even with a Junglie as LHS, the RHs will still need some sort of conversion.

When I was down there this summer, they seemed more concerned with that than the A/c conversion... but then they were aircrew and not engineers who would have to do it.
 

avoiding_action

Lantern Swinger
Looks like the return of the 'Pinglies' is upon us.

Lets hope they fair better than in '82 when they kept accidently crossing the FLOT at altitude (allegedly)!
 

fido

MIA
stumpy said:
And rather than getting hold of Dutch or other foreign ones, why not remove the sonar equipment from the RN ones. I know it is not perfect, ie: no big ramp at the back, but it can be done very quickly. Repaint them, fit a GPMG, and off they go...
It's been done before - '82 and, more recently, for 845/846
 

stumpy

War Hero
The interesting thing is that if it did happen soon, (ie this winter) you would have Britain fighting an intense war in a landlocked, mountanous country, using the RM as infantry, the FAA as helicopter lift and the FAA for CAS with Harriers...
 

FlagWagger

GCM
Book Reviewer
stumpy said:
The interesting thing is that if it did happen soon, (ie this winter) you would have Britain fighting an intense war in a landlocked, mountanous country, using the RM as infantry, the FAA as helicopter lift and the FAA for CAS with Harriers...
But of course there's still no justification or logical reason for the RN to have full control of their own organic air assets like Sea Harrier.

stumpy said:
While at the same time conducting a large amphibious exercise off West Africa...BZ!
BZ indeed
 

i/cflyingcircus

Midshipman
stumpy said:
The interesting thing is that if it did happen soon, (ie this winter) you would have Britain fighting an intense war in a landlocked, mountanous country, using the RM as infantry, the FAA as helicopter lift and the FAA for CAS with Harriers...
Yeah, and sure as eggs is eggs, Jo Public would be made none the wiser, 'cos lets face it soldiers are Army and aeroplanes are air force, and why should our PR people ruin the dream?
 

junglynx

Midshipman
We have PR people?????

Heard this rumour or varients therof around 45/46 the last couple of weeks. Can't really complain given that with Vela the two squadrons combined can muster on average one stretching to two cabs a day!

With CHFHQ issueing memos from their ivory tower that we need to fly more when back at home! When the hell are we back at home FFS! Between TELIC, WADER, VELA, HIGHBROW and with whatever leave you can fit in some lads have less that a couple of weeks in Yeovs since January!

Points that may be of interest:

1. It's quicker, cheaper and easier to run a conversion to type rather than a conversion to role.

2. No Jungly in the world is going to want to get into an aircraft with a Pinglie! Seriously - I don't want to operate NOE reacting to DAS and ground fire all by myself as RHS has as much SA as the PAX!

3. MK 6 Seaking... hahahahahahahahahahaha.

Rant over.
 

avoiding_action

Lantern Swinger
Check out Tony's latest comments...............

Whatever we need we will get..............Armour/helo's etc

Open up the magic box of SH and crews, no problem!
 
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