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a 5 yr old's bravery

stabradop said:
On another note its good to see the NYPD showing solidarity with the family, they must be going through hell.

stab
Also nice of their own force to be so understanding as well. Spot on.
 

slim

War Hero
The NHS is strapped for cash so should have to prioritise its services. This child has been taken to the states for treatment which is not available on the NHS. The treatment is also unproven, obviously it should not b paid for by the NHS.
As fo tatoo removal, IVF, Boob reduction etc. sorry for those that want these operations but until the NHS has surplus funds they should be non starters.
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
I can't seem to remember attending the brief that declared that it is every families right to conceive offspring. If nature decrees that a person is unable to reproduce then that is nature's way. I think some people mistake the 'desire' to have children with the 'right' to have them.

If someone has that much desire to have a child then there are plenty of unwanted orphans in this world crying out for the love and affection of a family unit.
 
ah another one (sgt pepper) who has kids then without all the hassle of ivf. :evil:

why dont we stop all lifesaving medicine. all those with a limb that is either missing or requires removing dont expect help with artficial aids,

all those with unsightly birthmarks - sod you.

how about those who need a hip replacement - get a wheel chair, 2 brufen and lump it.

in this counrtry we try to help peolpe with the aid of the state if we feel that it is of benifit to thier social wellbeing and not just a physical repair.

lets hope that when you become the father of a child bearing age offspring that they can have children naturally.

looking at the other side of the argument as i am a rational man lingyai and sgt pepper -

your right. weshouldnt help people who arent worthy of children, unstable relationships, 16 and 60 year olds etc etc

but where do we draw the line. what about if everything the NHS does comes with a price and you have to justify the costs.

and for the record as a chief we earnt too much to qualify for help from the nhs - or rather we didnt live in the right postcode, somerset no, dorset yes.

the local doctors had a policy of helping with the drugs for one attempt and that was it. so £16K later we made it.

but what if we couldnt afford it f**k you shagshacker get on with it - i dont think we have reached that low yet or is that what we are suggesting. :mad:
 
sgtpepperband said:
I can't seem to remember attending the brief that declared that it is every families right to conceive offspring. If nature decrees that a person is unable to reproduce then that is nature's way. I think some people mistake the 'desire' to have children with the 'right' to have them.

If someone has that much desire to have a child then there are plenty of unwanted orphans in this world crying out for the love and affection of a family unit.

If nature decrees that a person is unable to reproduce then that is nature's way.

That comment runs alongside gays are natures way of keeping down the population. According to some knob on tv.

The same old story those that have get. Those that do not have. "TOUGH" Unless of course you are in prison and then you go to the front of the list. Correct me if I am wrong for the first time in my life!!!!
 

slim

War Hero
Shag shacker
You cannot seriously believe that the inability to produce kids without medical help is in the league as people requiring hip replacement and artificial limbs. The quality of life in these cases is dramatically improved and inmany cases enables the receipient to gain employment and in many cases the satisfaction of working and regaining their place in society.
Having Kids is not a god given right and in many cases is unsucessful. I believe that sgt p and Lingyai speak a lot of sense, after all adoption gives a great deal to all parties
 
shag_shacker said:
how about those who need a hip replacement - get a wheel chair, 2 brufen and lump it.

I am one of those...except they won't operate on me because I have a hereditary blood condition that means my blood clots more than most... so they won't risk the opp to replace hips that i wore out serving my country.... I can only have surgery if the condition is life threatening in the first place. So I'm stuck with the pain killers... and an eventual wheelchair.

But I accept that. What i don't accept is the way this government straps the NHS and other national essentials like police and heritage in order to maintain two war fronts on a peace-time budget.

Discuss....
 
have you even tried adopting - i very much doubt if you even know a tenth of what is involved.

day 1 question 1 - what does your husband do for a living, royal navy, he goes away a bit - sorry cant help you. go on the dole split with your missus, get a gay lover - bobs your uncle chose from the catalogue of kids please
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Shag_Shacker: No kids (that I know of!), but thanks for asking. Oh, and that's through choice, by the way. There are enough kids in this world without the fruit of my loins cluttering up the system!

Backpacker: My opinion on gays is contrary to what you probably think; I have made plenty of posts on this subject - just check my profile to find out. Do not make a judgement on my point of view on a totally unrelated subject.

My only point was that if people are unable to reproduce then there are alternatives. Having a baby through natural fertilization is not the 'be all and end all' of our existence on this planet. Without coming over all pink and fluffy, I was merely suggesting that there are plenty of unloved kids in this world that are deserving of some love and attention, and there are plenty of people who can not have kids but would make the most wonderful parents - do the maths!

:lol:
 

slim

War Hero
CD
Seems like the reason for your lack of operation is your hereditory condition rather han the NHS strapped for cash.
The NHS has been given extra moneynow for many years but for some reason or other it doesn't seem to reaching the parts which matter.
 
sgt - game over

i am sure that you may realise that this is quite an emotive issue for some people. i agree with you all entirely that we waste immense amounts on money on state spongers and wasters.

however there must be a reason why we would spend it thougfh in this very fiscal tight era. why do we spend money on alcohol/drugs/fags clinics.

i knew a girl from years ago that had a breast reduction on the nhs due to bad back pains. my point is that we spend money from the nhs on physchological and physical reasons.

ivf is one of these. wasting the money on more shitty jobs for the management is not.
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
I'm not disputing any of the points here, and I agree it is very emotive an issue. And one which we can debate for hours.
 
sorry cant talk any more

my two 4 year old kids are still up -

do you want to adopt them,

they never told me this at the clinic
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
shag_shacker said:
sorry cant talk any more

my two 4 year old kids are still up -

do you want to adopt them,

they never told me this at the clinic

Sorry, no can do - I was told if I was seen within 500 yards of kids, the public was to 'phone 999... [JOKE]! :shock:
 
slim said:
CD
Seems like the reason for your lack of operation is your hereditory condition rather han the NHS strapped for cash.
The NHS has been given extra moneynow for many years but for some reason or other it doesn't seem to reaching the parts which matter.

oh yes... I agree entirely in my personal case, and the NHS has treated me fairly well all things considered... but the 'extra money' given to the NHS? Is this not just a partial replacement of previous cuts?
 
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