525 feet and you find a mountain

#5
Fast transit, large scale chart and sea mount the size of a full stop on it and navis yeo and navi in deep doo doo for not up dating and using correct scale charts.
 
#9
babystew said:
uss san francisco, rejoins the fleet after major surgery transplant, the new nose came from uss honolulu which has been scrapped at a cost of $ 134 million. http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2009/apr/07/uss-san-francisco-leaves-bremerton-after-long/ sailed on the 7th april. god bless all who sail on her
You would have thought that they'd learned the lesson and put a 'kin window in the front!!! Small double glazed type thing would have only added about $20 to the total of $134 million!! :lol: :wink:
 
#12
The mountain they hit was not on the chart they used but was on other charts available to them, albeit 3 miles out of position, which the USN Navigation team chose not to look at. here is an in depth report of the failings.

Bump


Complacency me thinks, a dangerous beast in the world of boats.

Nutty

Lots of interesting reading
 
#14
Nutty said:
The mountain they hit was not on the chart they used but was on other charts available to them, albeit 3 miles out of position, which the USN Navigation team chose not to look at. here is an in depth report of the failings.

Bump


Complacency me thinks, a dangerous beast in the world of boats.

Nutty

Lots of interesting reading
Complacency is indeed a dangerous beast and clearly existed throughout the chain of command in this case, right up to NOAA who clearly do not keep all their charts up to date.

Equally as dangerous to submariners are coverupps and white washes, and a system which covers up failings in the superior organisations and whitewashes the Navy in general is suspect.

I do feel that this is a very good example of where the USN approach of making all officers do all jobs with little or no specialisation will let you down. An RN boat with a dagger N or it's modern equivalent would not have made the same mistakes, and would not have been allowed to by squadron staff.(Unless of course things have changed more than I thought since I left)
 
#16
Maxi_77 said:
Nutty said:
The mountain they hit was not on the chart they used but was on other charts available to them, albeit 3 miles out of position, which the USN Navigation team chose not to look at. here is an in depth report of the failings.

Bump


Complacency me thinks, a dangerous beast in the world of boats.

Nutty

Lots of interesting reading
Complacency is indeed a dangerous beast and clearly existed throughout the chain of command in this case, right up to NOAA who clearly do not keep all their charts up to date.

Equally as dangerous to submariners are coverupps and white washes, and a system which covers up failings in the superior organisations and whitewashes the Navy in general is suspect.

I do feel that this is a very good example of where the USN approach of making all officers do all jobs with little or no specialisation will let you down. An RN boat with a dagger N or it's modern equivalent would not have made the same mistakes, and would not have been allowed to by squadron staff.(Unless of course things have changed more than I thought since I left)
Unless the USN has changed a lot, their flyers were also prone to white washing as aircraft accident investigations were carried out by the sqn involved, unlike our Armed Forces where another sqn does the investigation, thereby removing potential bias. One hopes.
 
#17
Crabman said:
Unless the USN has changed a lot, their flyers were also prone to white washing as aircraft accident investigations were carried out by the sqn involved, unlike our Armed Forces where another sqn does the investigation, thereby removing potential bias. One hopes.
There are I'm afraid various aspects of their schemes which are suspect, after all their officer reporting it appears classifies about average as superior and so on, if you are exceptional your chance of promotion will fall as you are a real threat to your superiors.
 
#18
NotmeChief said:
Rumrat said:
NotmeChief said:
Just another day in the life of a submariner.

AHHHH!!!!!!!!

This is not a cry for sympathy is it?

I aint your mother!!
Of course not, deeps are made of sterner stuff than that. Just pointing out why they are the elite.
TFFT I will be able to sleep better tonight.
You stay awake mind and call me if owt goes wrong 8)
 
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otmeChief:
Rumrat:
NotmeChief:
Just another day in the life of a submariner.


AHHHH!!!!!!!!

This is not a cry for sympathy is it?

I aint your mother!!

Of course not, deeps are made of sterner stuff than that. Just pointing out why they are the elite.


Elite though?
They were the cream when I was in,
Double thick,
and whipping 'em only made it worse. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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#20
Rumrat said:
NotmeChief said:
Rumrat said:
NotmeChief said:
Just another day in the life of a submariner.

AHHHH!!!!!!!!

This is not a cry for sympathy is it?

I aint your mother!!
Of course not, deeps are made of sterner stuff than that. Just pointing out why they are the elite.
TFFT I will be able to sleep better tonight.
You stay awake mind and call me if owt goes wrong 8)
No need, you'll just wake up with the last man tapes round your neck and a vent plug on your chest
 
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