1960 and now

#1
As at 1 January 1960
Principal surface fleets (over 1700 tons) 105
This does not include Royal Yacht Britannia

Shore Establishments (incl RNAS's)
Home 44
Overseas 10
85,900 ratings and 490 Captains Commodores and Admirals

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As at 1 January 2007
Principal surface fleet (over 1700 tons) 27

Shore Establishments (incl RNAS's)
Home 6
Overseas 0 (Gibraltar Flotilla and HMS Saker too
insignificant to include)
31,500 ratings and 400 Captains Commodores and Admirals

Figures obtained through FOIA 2000
 

Ninja_Stoker

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#2
Hmmn, those facts tell a tale don't they?

Here we go- who'll be the first Ossifer to justify a comparible cut in Ratings in relation to hulls versus a 20% cut in senior Officers.

"Of course one would have to consider that 1960 was only 15 years after the end of WWII, blah-de-blah..."
 
#4
I recall a Telegraph poster many years ago that listed all the ships in the RN in 1919 ( I think?) - it was about the size of 3 breadth flag, and was hanging on the wall of one of the pubs in Pompey, which one I can't remember unfortunately.
The total number of the ships must have in the multiple 100s then.

:)
 

Seadog

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#5
Hmmn, those facts tell a tale don't they?
At least one isn't a fact

Here we go- who'll be the first Ossifer to justify a comparible cut in Ratings in relation to hulls versus a 20% cut in senior Officers.
Been done ad nauseum.

Any reason why this thread should be any different from previous and recent threads on the same old same old? Fingers poised over the lock and gash barge icons.

Under review.
 
#6
norman said:
As at 1 January 1960
Principal surface fleets (over 1700 tons) 105
And most of them were hopelessly obsolete.


And BTW norman, you could have saved yourself a lot of time, energy and money with your FOI request and gone to a library and read it up out of Janes
 
#7
Seadog - suggest this should simply be added to the other thread you locked which was called "proliferation senior officers". It seems Norman has a valid point..........HOWEVER the 2006 Navy list contains 205 active Captains, 58 Commodores and 34 Admirals a total of 199, not 400 !!

So Norman, just where the heck do you get a figure inflated by 100% of that - tell us, please do!
 
#8
Seadog, I cannot see any point in locking a thread which appears to reasonably debate comparative personnel numbers in the RN, especially as it might seem to some you are defending the naval hierarchy. By the way, can you list the twelve establishments? I was having a problem getting that many...............I nearly started off with DRYAD!
 
#9
"proliferation senior officers" has been got at and scuppered-- by who knows whom.

"1960 and now" will remain until someone has the influence (money) to put this in an early grave.

Get in while you can.
 
#11
whitemouse. I think that poster was in the Ship Anson, on the Hard. That was before the vandals got to it, though, and hacked it around. The days when you walked outside to get to the Ship Leopard; but, there again, why would one?
 
#13
F169 said:
Seadog - suggest this should simply be added to the other thread you locked which was called "proliferation senior officers". It seems Norman has a valid point..........HOWEVER the 2006 Navy list contains 205 active Captains, 58 Commodores and 34 Admirals a total of 199, not 400 !!

So Norman, just where the heck do you get a figure inflated by 100% of that - tell us, please do!
Correct me if I’m wrong – but surely 205+58+34=297 ?????? and not the afore mentioned 199 ???
 
#14
Oil_Slick said:
norman said:
As at 1 January 1960
Principal surface fleets (over 1700 tons) 105
And most of them were hopelessly obsolete.


And BTW norman, you could have saved yourself a lot of time, energy and money with your FOI request and gone to a library and read it up out of Janes
FOIA requests are free so long as a £600.00 research man-hour figure is not exceeded. The figures quoted are FOIA request figures--not mine.
Janes Fighting Ships publish the same figures as mine. They have no secret source.
 

wet_blobby

War Hero
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#15
Shore establishments....?

Norton Manor
Bickliegh
Condor
Chivenor
Stonehouse
Lympstone
ATTURM
Poole

Well there's more than six off the top of my head... :wink:
 
#16
Fishmeister - I never was very good at maths - sorry. I guess that makes Norman's calculations only 33% over the top then.............

Thanks LTCOOTB.......
 
#17
Times change and so do capabilities, a straight comparison of numbers is meaningless. Each of the current FFG's carries 8 Harpoon ASM's each of which could disable any 1960 RN DD or FG
 
#18
Oil_Slick said:
Times change and so do capabilities, a straight comparison of numbers is meaningless. Each of the current FFG's carries 8 Harpoon ASM's each of which could disable any 1960 RN DD or FG
So what part do the shore-based 70 Commodores and 40 Admirals play in this formidable armament. Do the 8 Harpoons require three commodores and two admirals each to press the button firing at whom?
 
#19
norman said:
Oil_Slick said:
Times change and so do capabilities, a straight comparison of numbers is meaningless. Each of the current FFG's carries 8 Harpoon ASM's each of which could disable any 1960 RN DD or FG
So what part do the shore-based 70 Commodores and 40 Admirals play in this formidable armament. Do the 8 Harpoons require three commodores and two admirals each to press the button firing at whom?

Commodores were just senior Captains in the old days…

You certainly seem to have an 'issue' with the membership of the Big Gold Braid Tribe…
 

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