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‘Creamy’ Flying Instructors

Pigmoustache60

Midshipman
Hello!

looks like there’s nothing already on the forum about this so here goes...

is becoming a ‘creamy’ or ‘creamed off’ flying instructor still a thing, and what are the actual requirements in training to become one. Furthermore, is it only available for fast jet pilots or can rotary pilots also become instructors straight out of training.

thanks in advance

PM60
 

Alfacharlie

War Hero
Hello!

looks like there’s nothing already on the forum about this so here goes...

is becoming a ‘creamy’ or ‘creamed off’ flying instructor still a thing, and what are the actual requirements in training to become one. Furthermore, is it only available for fast jet pilots or can rotary pilots also become instructors straight out of training.

thanks in advance

PM60
Hahahaha, classic. I'm that drunk I can't be arsed!
Good luck in your endeavours
 

Waspie

War Hero
Hello!

looks like there’s nothing already on the forum about this so here goes...

is becoming a ‘creamy’ or ‘creamed off’ flying instructor still a thing, and what are the actual requirements in training to become one. Furthermore, is it only available for fast jet pilots or can rotary pilots also become instructors straight out of training.

thanks in advance

PM60
14 years flying, ok, as a back seater. I have never heard this expression at all!!!
As for QHI straight out of training!!! Unheard of!
However, I have never been a pilot so I will bow to @Magic_Mushroom or @Pontius view on the subject!!
 
We had a pilot on 801 who had issues landing at night on board, he was sent to be a flying instructor at Linton on Ouse. I would suggest its not always a good career move :)
 
14 years flying, ok, as a back seater. I have never heard this expression at all!!!
As for QHI straight out of training!!! Unheard of!
However, I have never been a pilot so I will bow to @Magic_Mushroom or @Pontius view on the subject!!


Many other examples exist on the wilds of the internet, including their utility or otherwise.
 

Pontius

War Hero
I've never heard of creamies in the rotary or trucky world but it was definitely a 'thing' in the fast jet world. Basically a Crab who showed the right skills (whatever they may be) after advanced jet training on the Hawk, and prior to the operational training, could be 'creamed-off' to become an instructor. They would go through CFS to get their QFI qual and would then teach on the Hawk (normally) for a couple of years. After that they would continue their training and (normally) be given their choice of aircraft at role disposal. The creamie job was definitely not a punishment and is a different scenario to JFH's one, where people were sent for a 'rest' or to gain some more experience before going back to the SHAR.

Lots and lots of risks for the creamie, with few gains guaranteed (apart from the 'kudos' if that's your thing). Guys have been known, in the past, to do the creamie job and then find there was a cut-back in training, so they were left in the sausage machine for years on end while their course mates were frontline. Also, it's no good having your choice of aircraft when they get rid of the decent ones while you're mucking around on the Hawk. The Hawk is great fun to fly and the low level flying etc used to be great around Valley (Snowdonia) but to stay there for at least another two years is certainly not my idea of fun.

They did try and get a certain Sea Harrier student to go creamie after Valley. He kicked and screamed, as it was not something he wanted to do and, luckily, the RN needed SHAR pilots so told the Crabs 'no'. Two years more experience on the frontline is better that two years bashing the Valley circuit in my opinion.
 

slim

War Hero
Always tell when you have an ex service jockey flying the easy jet cab.
Makes a low level approach to Cardiff through the valleys :)
 
I've never heard of creamies in the rotary or trucky world but it was definitely a 'thing' in the fast jet world. Basically a Crab who showed the right skills (whatever they may be) after advanced jet training on the Hawk, and prior to the operational training, could be 'creamed-off' to become an instructor. They would go through CFS to get their QFI qual and would then teach on the Hawk (normally) for a couple of years. After that they would continue their training and (normally) be given their choice of aircraft at role disposal. The creamie job was definitely not a punishment and is a different scenario to JFH's one, where people were sent for a 'rest' or to gain some more experience before going back to the SHAR.

Lots and lots of risks for the creamie, with few gains guaranteed (apart from the 'kudos' if that's your thing). Guys have been known, in the past, to do the creamie job and then find there was a cut-back in training, so they were left in the sausage machine for years on end while their course mates were frontline. Also, it's no good having your choice of aircraft when they get rid of the decent ones while you're mucking around on the Hawk. The Hawk is great fun to fly and the low level flying etc used to be great around Valley (Snowdonia) but to stay there for at least another two years is certainly not my idea of fun.

They did try and get a certain Sea Harrier student to go creamie after Valley. He kicked and screamed, as it was not something he wanted to do and, luckily, the RN needed SHAR pilots so told the Crabs 'no'. Two years more experience on the frontline is better that two years bashing the Valley circuit in my opinion.


Judt asked a FB oppo (ex Shar Pilot) what happened to him, he stayed at Linton for a few years, never returned to fast jets and ended up on Hercs after transferring to the crabs. He wasn't too popular apparently in the SHAR world.
 

Pontius

War Hero
Judt asked a FB oppo (ex Shar Pilot) what happened to him, he stayed at Linton for a few years, never returned to fast jets and ended up on Hercs after transferring to the crabs.

Wow, I've never heard of that guy but, then again, there are plenty appearing out of the woodwork on the F35 who I've never laid eyes on. Now I feel REALLY old :-(

We had plenty of guys who did the QFI course and then spent two years with the Crabs on Tucanos/Hawks. This was perfectly normal, as it gave the new instructor some actual instructing experience before he came back to the SHAR. There wasn't very much to do as the squadron QFI on 800/801 but at least 899 gave them a chance to do the instructing job. After a couple of frontline tours and a stint on 899 I fancied doing the QFI course but they wanted me to go to Valley on the Hawk on completion of CFS (Central Flying School). I wanted to go to the Tucano and actually teach someone to fly, instead of just fly better, so we never progressed down that route. Anyway, nothing to do with Creamies, so I'll stow the dit box.
 
Wow, I've never heard of that guy but, then again, there are plenty appearing out of the woodwork on the F35 who I've never laid eyes on. Now I feel REALLY old :-(

We had plenty of guys who did the QFI course and then spent two years with the Crabs on Tucanos/Hawks. This was perfectly normal, as it gave the new instructor some actual instructing experience before he came back to the SHAR. There wasn't very much to do as the squadron QFI on 800/801 but at least 899 gave them a chance to do the instructing job. After a couple of frontline tours and a stint on 899 I fancied doing the QFI course but they wanted me to go to Valley on the Hawk on completion of CFS (Central Flying School). I wanted to go to the Tucano and actually teach someone to fly, instead of just fly better, so we never progressed down that route. Anyway, nothing to do with Creamies, so I'll stow the dit box.
True, I remember the New RN CO of 617 as a baby Shar pilot, I did the Pinky/FSI cover for his Wittering phase :)
 
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