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Discuss GYH(T) eligibility in UPO on Navy Net; Hi everyone. Hope someone can offer some advice. I am currently renting a flat in Portsmouth and will be there for the next couple of years. I am orignally from Glasgow and am looking to ...
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    GYH(T) eligibility

    Hi everyone. Hope someone can offer some advice. I am currently renting a flat in Portsmouth and will be there for the next couple of years. I am orignally from Glasgow and am looking to buy a flat there. However, i may only travel back there once every two months and so would this restrict me in getting GYH(Travel)?? i have read the JSP and it makes no mention of number of times you have to go back and is just a sum that is given to you regardless of how muchyou go home.

    Any advice?? Don't want to claim if not entitled or if within a grey "Expenses-MP" area.

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    Don't about GYH but I do know of a very large 2 bed flat for sale.

    *in Glasgow obviously

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    If you own a property which is more than 50 miles from your regular place of duty, and that you would return to regularly, then you are entitled to GYH(T). There is a degree of interpretation of the regulations though as the good book says:

    Qualifying Residence. The QRes must be where the Service person would live, but for the exigencies of the Service, and to which they return (and are capable of returning) during weekends, stand-down periods and periods of leave on a regular basis and therefore incur the travelling expenses which GYH Travel is designed to contribute towards.

    As with all of these things the JSP is a bit wooly and not particularly direct; best thing is to speak to your UPO manager and see what they say, if they are in agreement then you'll get the allowance (it is designed to pay for 2 journeys to your QRes per month). It seems that you are in a bit of a grey area with this one.
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    Cheers for the reply SJ. Thought it was a grey area though i might not want to ask a question of the UPO that i dont want an answer to if its such a grey area lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgu98141 View Post
    Cheers for the reply SJ. Thought it was a grey area though i might not want to ask a question of the UPO that i dont want an answer to if its such a grey area lol
    You'll have to ask the UPO if you want any chance of getting the allowance.
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    This grey (wooly) area seems to have become more common since the onset of JPA and I'm sure you agree SJ is not really acceptable. Disregarding the fact that it makes your job, and that of scribblers and civvies more difficult (ie vague) there is always the potential, as demonstrated here, that someone may be disadvantaged by the interpretation of regs by a UPO manager. The laughable IE was an example of this that I remember - the regulations were so poorly defined that I'm sure millions were wasted by chucking a fiver a day at people for no good reason whilst other cases, where people genuinely should have had financial assistance, were over-ruled due to the same wooly areas.

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    lol. i agree Guzzler but i think i am right to claim the money but if i had to stand up in court and justify it then maybe not so much but then am i any different from others who cloaim allowances who arent the intended recipients ?>

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    Speak to your Writer. They deal with this day in day out, you would think that they might know what they are doing...

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    I've got a tenner that says if you tell the UPO you are renting a place in Portsmouth, they will say that that is your address and won't give you GYH(T) to Glasgow.

    SJ and I have slightly different wording in our 752 (mine may be out of date) but I think the word MAIN I have highlighted will be the issue. If you rent a flat and only go back to Glasgow every month or so, the flat will be your MAIN residence. Good luck though. My 752 para is pasted below - recommend you find the most up to date one and do some research before you go to the UPO.

    05.0204. Qualifying Residence. TheQRes must be inthe same country asthe Duty
    Station (UK is defined asthe UK mainland andGBIslands). It isthe main residence
    wherethe Service person would live, butfor the exigencies of the Service, andto
    whichthey return (and are capable of returning) during weekends, stand-down periods
    and periods of leave on a regular basis and therefore incur the travelling expenses
    whichGYH (T) is designedto contributetowards. The QResfor the purpose of GYH
    (T) must be one of the following:
    a. The Family Home. (Wherethefamily home is in a different countryto the
    Duty Station, P ACCC casework should be submitted. Thefamily home must be
    within a bordering country , must be an addressthat has previously been used
    as an overseas RWA orGYH(T)QRes and be subject tothe usual QRes
    definitions. Family homes inthe UK do not qualify asGYH(T) QRes whenthe
    Duty Station is overseas.)
    b. Privately Maintained Property .
    c. Residence at Work Address (RWA), including SLA at the permanent Duty
    Station.
    Definitions of Family Home, Privately Maintained Property and Residence at Work
    Address are given in Chapter 1 Section2. Further restrictions on the use of a
    Privately Maintained Property are given at article 05.0208.

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    The version I had was from 2009 so that is probably the out of date one.

    I must have misread the post as I had presumed that the OP was going to move out of the rented accommodation to buy the flat in Glasgow - as Sep86 says, if you are renting a flat in Portsmouth and then buy a flat in Glasgow, but continue to live in the rented flat, then you will not be eligible for GYH(T).
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