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Originally Posted by witsend

You know as well as me Ninja this subject has been brought up on different forums/treads, and having never really researched the subject i don't give two hoots. The only female I have ever seen at sea was a female dentist, who was a VIP on our returning bomber patrol many years ago. Alongside theres the usual visitors, jack wife girlfriend. The only regular females on boats are bawsacks Mrs whos a health physics monitor and the base chemist. This tread was about women maintaining and operating c*ck shaped weapons,,,lol. I felt it was being hijacked onto a subject that has been discussed before. The author who has since refused to publish the essay, teased a response out of me. Its his ball and if we're not allowed to play fair enough.

lol,,,,feel free to pick me up anytime, no offence taken

are you married ??????

oops - thread drift - better smack myself ...

Ninja

I will fully accept your comments as being a boater my DC experience was very limited and mainly obtained from books on WWII. It was my opinion how ever ill informed which I will now have to reassess.

Nutty

Originally Posted by IDOITDEEPER

Who in their right mind bases decisions on insufficient data?

Drugs licensing companies, in the light of experience?
If thalidomide had been withheld until sufficient data was available then perhaps the world might have been a better place?

Originally Posted by scabz

Originally Posted by IDOITDEEPER

Who in their right mind bases decisions on insufficient data?

Drugs licensing companies, in the light of experience?
If thalidomide had been withheld until sufficient data was available then perhaps the world might have been a better place?

Yes I agree, therefore your argument is that decisions should be based on sound and not insufficient data?


Nutty, I suppose you are right in the fact that most documentary evidence to support my claim comes from press releases etc. I have spoken face to face to the COB of an RAN boat and the Coxswain of a Canadian boat both of whom stated that women in submarines has been a success in their armed forces. This is hardly anecdotal evidence but is straight from the horses mouth so as to speak. Perhaps we might have a serving member of these particular countries read this thread and make appropriate comment?

Have a nice day
IDOITDEEPER

Do females want to serve on nuclear submarines or do they want the right to serve on nuclear submarines just for the hell of it?

The 'no touching policy' would have to be modified considerably. Where on a boat could you be (apart from in a bunk, and don't state the obvious about 'no room for two unless procreating the species') reasonably distanced from a member of the opposite sex. Certainly not in any passageways or in any ops rooms where you've usually got your mates big fat arse shoved in your face as he changes positions on sets. He can't go round or under it has to be over! No pun or inuendo intended!

Regardless of the issues relating to Air quality/Nuclear affect on the foetus shouldn't we look at the issues of being able to get the female ashore if it is discovered that she is pregnant whilst on patrol.

Here's one for you: A female deploys on a routine Bomber patrol only to discover that she is pregant after sailing. She could easily be in the region of four to six weeks pregnant. Say the bomber patrol is 3 months she could be over four months pregnant by the time she gets back. Although there is a doc onboard, is it really ethical to have her wait for specialist medical checks?

As we all know, there is no way that a bomber will break surface mid-patrol.

Originally Posted by witsend

Originally Posted by IDOITDEEPER

Originally Posted by witsend

Why not publish it, you seem to have a strong opinion on the subject, so let myself and anyone else read what your findings are.

It seems that the subject does not bore you as much as you doth protest. There is no need to publish my essay on here as I have already stated the findings of my research: I can find no logical reason why women should be barred from serving on Royal Navy submarines. My conclusion was derived from assessing reports compiled by the Royal Australian Navy, The US Navy and the Canadian Navy. This is a personal opinion to which I am entitled. Why not state yours?

IDOITDEEPER

How about publishing your research and we'll put this subject to bed and stop going around in dizzying circles.

And how about you refrain from fence sitting and state your personal opinion on the subject stating your reasons for holding said thoughts exactly as I have done?

IDOITDEEPER

...maybe Witsend is not convince either way, as the evidence to the contrary is not entirely persuasive? Perhaps if you provided the information he has requested he could make up his own mind and you would be seen to be attempting to convince him of your argument, thus winning him over and getting him on your side?